Help -> Empower + Minions? How much damage?

Lest say I’m using my last gem on my 6l skeleton setup and I’m using predator, my skeletons are only lvl 26, would it better better to put in Empower to raise level up to 29?

Thx
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empower is usually the best support for minions, it raises both damage and life, and in some cases you cant even get an extra minion etc..

but dude, ever tried to use google or poe wiki/db? You keep on asking basic questions, that have been answered and described thousands times. It would be easier for you too because you would have your answer straight away instead of waiting for someone to answer it..
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Last edited by Ludvator#6587 on Dec 18, 2021, 2:19:14 PM
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Ludvator wrote:
empower is usually the best support for minions, it raises both damage and life, and in some cases you cant even get an extra minion etc..

but dude, ever tried to use google or poe wiki/db? You keep on asking basic questions, that have been answered and described thousands times. It would be easier for you too because you would have your answer straight away instead of waiting for someone to answer it..


Dude I only ask the question if I can’t find if by google first 👍🏻

I’m not asking if empower is good for minions I know it is, I’m asking if it’s better the predator when my skeletons are lvl 26, so will the 3 lvls get em to output more dps over all 👍🏻

For you it might be basic questions, for me it’s not and I always try and do my own google and wiki first.

If you don’t like my questions, then block my account or just stay out of the thread all together, this is gameplay and help, it’s what this thread is for 👍🏻

A great day to you 😉
He's right about PoB. Any question of what is more damage is answered by using PoB. If you learned to help yourself in PoB than you dont have to keep making threads.

The question is also impossible for anyone to answer without access to your build as well. Empower 4 is probably the best but there is always a chance other supports are better.
Last edited by gladiatorpie#3317 on Dec 18, 2021, 5:37:06 PM
PoB is not always accurate for minions.

Skeletons gain a bit over 11% more base damage per level, UP TO LEVEL 30.
After level 30 it is greatly diminished.

If you have the skeletons in a +1 gems chest, a level 4 empower gives 4 levels, taking your level 26 skels to level 30, the sweet spot!

Going from 26 to 30 would give the skeletons 1.11 ^4 -1 = 51.8% MORE base damage.

Note, this does not increase any flat damage you have added to your skeletons, so the final damage of your skels may not go up that much.

If you do not have a +1 gems chest, then 3 levels gives 1.11^3-1 = 36.7% more base damage, comparable to other support gems IF you have no flat damage added to skels.

Also, extra levels gives skeletons more life, accuracy, evasion and armor.

It's an all around win for minions, to get them to level 30.

P.S.
I am in the process of making a newbie oriented minion guide.
Check it out and send all newbies who like minions there.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3223145
Last edited by Odif#4251 on Dec 18, 2021, 7:11:25 PM
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Odif wrote:
PoB is not always accurate for minions.

Skeletons gain a bit over 11% more base damage per level, UP TO LEVEL 30.
After level 30 it is greatly diminished.

If you have the skeletons in a +1 gems chest, a level 4 empower gives 4 levels, taking your level 26 skels to level 30, the sweet spot!

Going from 26 to 30 would give the skeletons 1.11 ^4 -1 = 51.8% MORE base damage.

Note, this does not increase any flat damage you have added to your skeletons, so the final damage of your skels may not go up that much.

If you do not have a +1 gems chest, then 3 levels gives 1.11^3-1 = 36.7% more base damage, comparable to other support gems IF you have no flat damage added to skels.

Also, extra levels gives skeletons more life, accuracy, evasion and armor.

It's an all around win for minions, to get them to level 30.

P.S.
I am in the process of making a newbie oriented minion guide.
Check it out and send all newbies who like minions there.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3223145


Thx you you the answer it was very helpful :)
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gladiatorpie wrote:
He's right about PoB. Any question of what is more damage is answered by using PoB. If you learned to help yourself in PoB than you dont have to keep making threads.

The question is also impossible for anyone to answer without access to your build as well. Empower 4 is probably the best but there is always a chance other supports are better.


If you don’t like people asking questions then don’t look in this section on the forum, and the other guy did not need my build or anything to answer my question and he did it very respectful 👍🏻 People bitching about players asking questions in the gameplay and help section 🤦🏻‍♂️ I’ll ask as many questions as I want and if that pisses you off the block my account or stay out of the gameplay and help section. Lucky for me some people don’t mind a questions even if it’s very basic knowledge for somebody who played a long time.
Last edited by ibaass#5102 on Dec 18, 2021, 11:09:12 PM
PoB will usually be pretty accurate. Ill talk Odif's word that sometimes it isnt for minions. And dont be so offended by our posts. We want you to be able to help yourself in the future instead of constantly having to ask.
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Ludvator wrote:

but dude, ever tried to use google or poe wiki/db? You keep on asking basic questions, that have been answered and described thousands times. It would be easier for you too because you would have your answer straight away instead of waiting for someone to answer it..


PSA this is the gameplay HELP and discussion section.

This is the right place to ask build related questions no matter how simple, there is only one better place which would be a build guide thread if your following that build.

not everyone would know how to word the google search correctly, sometimes googling things can get to specific to get good results.
Empower is particularly useful in crafted 2H weapons with +2 levels to support gems. Just pay attention to the difference between a L3 Empower and L4. There is a significant difference in potential at a very steep cost. There very well might be several L20 gems better than a L3 but worse than a L4.

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