Icefang Orbit + Many other skills don't cause poison

So I was looking at making a self-poison build using perforate.

Perforate never ever triggers poison on hit, even though I think it should. I also tested Blade Vortex/Splitting Steel and many other abilities for poison on hit just with the ring.

None of them work to create poison stacks via the golden rule. As a matter of fact, the only ability I have been able to get to trigger so far with poison is leap slam.

Perforate won't even trigger poison on hit with a level 21 poison gem in and icefang, but it seems like the skill should technically poison on hit, and reflect back with the golden rule.
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Flofinator wrote:
So I was looking at making a self-poison build using perforate.

Perforate never ever triggers poison on hit, even though I think it should. I also tested Blade Vortex/Splitting Steel and many other abilities for poison on hit just with the ring.

None of them work to create poison stacks via the golden rule. As a matter of fact, the only ability I have been able to get to trigger so far with poison is leap slam.

Perforate won't even trigger poison on hit with a level 21 poison gem in and icefang, but it seems like the skill should technically poison on hit, and reflect back with the golden rule.


Thanks for your report, are you supporting these skills with Brutality? This will cause you to deal no Chaos Damage and Poison will not be applied.
Yeah I am, I guess I'm a bit confused about the mechanics.

I can't actually poison with skills with Brutality? I am trying to poison to reflect it, so it would seem with how it's worded that I'd still poison on hit, but the poison would do no damage?

I guess in the meantime I can figure out something else for that support gem. Thanks!
Well, you actually are poisoning but it has a duration of zero so it falls off the same frame it gets applied.

This has been talked about in the past and is documented on the Wiki.

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Poison applied with skills supported by Brutality Support will have a duration of 0, deal no damage, and do not add stacks of Virulence for
Herald of Agony


I agree, the wording of the skill doesn't indicate this at all. I'm still not sure why having a poison deal zero damage also sets the duration to zero.
Yeah definitely missed that when building this character in POB, that's ok. I switched it with a different gem, lost some damage but that's alright just had no idea. Doing 0 chaos damage in my mind doesn't translate into "doesn't do poison stacks". Glad the wiki had it, but didn't even think it was that gem doing it when I made this post.

Glad to know that though for the future!
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MissingL_tter wrote:
I'm still not sure why having a poison deal zero damage also sets the duration to zero.

To reduce engine load the game discards things like zero-damage sources, very very short elemental ailment durations and alot of other things that don't really have any impact. I presume this is one of those cases where it could have mattered but won't, due to how the game engine works.

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