Awakened Spell Echo - Double Dmg

I searched here and PoE Reddit sub-forum and couldn't find the answer to this, so I apologize if it has in fact already been asked and answered elsewhere.


The Awakened Spell Echo gem says there is a % chance for double damage on the "Final Repeat".

How does this interact with Pledge of Hands Greater Spell Echo?

Would the double damage be on the gem echo (echo #1), or the last GSE echo (echo #3)? Or is it even possible it applies to all 3 echo's (doubtful)?

Because obviously, with GSE's additive +35% more damage multiplier on successive echo's, which ever one gets the double damage proc makes this sort of a big deal.


My gut is telling me it's on the GSE echo (echo #3), but it would be nice to have some clarification, if possible. Thanks.


Also, is there any interaction with Unleash in this regard, too?

As the keyword is "Final" and not all repeat, only the last repeat will have a chance to do double damage.

As for unleash support, it not a "REPEAT" but a "REOCCUR" the keyword isn't the same and it doesn't work with greater spell echo multiplier or any spell echo interaction. At best you can have an additional Reoccur proc in between your repeat cast but probably better to play repeat or unleash but not both. As one focus on short burst while the other get more damage if you keep casting it quickly.

*PS: Casting ice nova on frost bolt cancel the echo casting time making pledge of hand pretty insane on that combo, as it let you cast it pretty much 3 time as fast as you skip the 2 other echo and keep the casting speed/damage multiplier*

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milorius wrote:

As the keyword is "Final" and not all repeat, only the last repeat will have a chance to do double damage.

As for unleash support, it not a "REPEAT" but a "REOCCUR" the keyword isn't the same and it doesn't work with greater spell echo multiplier or any spell echo interaction. At best you can have an additional Reoccur proc in between your repeat cast but probably better to play repeat or unleash but not both. As one focus on short burst while the other get more damage if you keep casting it quickly.

*PS: Casting ice nova on frost bolt cancel the echo casting time making pledge of hand pretty insane on that combo, as it let you cast it pretty much 3 time as fast as you skip the 2 other echo and keep the casting speed/damage multiplier*

Actually, Unleash works very well with spell echo and greater spell echo on a projectile build like Ball Lightning. But that might be the only one. Which just happens to be the one I'm trying to get this clarification for.

That said, are you saying that you're certain the double damage procs on the greater spell echo final echo (#3 in this setup) and not the awakened spell gem echo?

We are sure about this? Because this would mean the gem goes outside itself and executes a process/function on a staff mechanic and not the gem mechanic. Which means whomever coded the gem double damage mechanic would have had to consciously make these synergize like that.

Which again, I think is likely, for the mere fact that GSE takes the gem echo into consideration with it's +35% more damage and +50% more AoE.

So I agree, it makes logical sense. But, has their been a definitive word by GGG on this before?

The gems itself only repeat 1 additional time.
The awakened version state that the final echo of supported skill do double damage.
If it wasn't the case then why not just state something like, %chance of echo to do double damage.

The fact is they did consider the possibility of greater echo.
I can't confirm that I have tested it but what I can say about the wording is pretty clear and is mean to no cause any confusion.
There no point in adding the "final" echo as there only 1 echo from the spell directly and if they didn't think about it then it wouldn't make sense to had "final"

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milorius wrote:

The gems itself only repeat 1 additional time.
The awakened version state that the final echo of supported skill do double damage.
If it wasn't the case then why not just state something like, %chance of echo to do double damage.

The fact is they did consider the possibility of greater echo.
I can't confirm that I have tested it but what I can say about the wording is pretty clear and is mean to no cause any confusion.
There no point in adding the "final" echo as there only 1 echo from the spell directly and if they didn't think about it then it wouldn't make sense to had "final"

Yep, excellent point. I agree.