To the senior developer who was crying...

Saw a Reddit comment from Chris saying some turd on Reddit made a senior developer cry.

I can totally empathize with that - working your ass off to meet a deadline, compounded by worldwide quarantines ruining workflows and coordination, then you see some Reddit meme mocking your work and making you and your colleagues sound incompetent after the marathon you've run to get the new content done on time.

That's crap!!

That someone was brought to tears tells me that you all are constantly reading feedback, especially the negative stuff. That's NOT HEALTHY. I know you know this but please stay away from the internet for confirmations of self-worth.

I wrote this post specifically to say you all have worth, and you're doing just fine. :)

Reality check: You all made a free-to-play game together that has become extremely popular, is one of the most BRILLIANTLY intricate games I've ever encountered, and personally has replaced a hole in my gaming heart left by Blizzard dumbing down and corporatizing the Diablo franchise. You have a lot to be proud of! I bought a supporter pack this league and quite a few mtx points because I feel good supporting your efforts and find them worthy. I have no doubts I'll continue funding you.

You all are gonna be okay. If you need to delay the release or fix things after launch, so what? Complainers gonna complain. They're a minority, don't cater to them - they'll just find another thing to complain about. In general be careful about listening to the loud people, as they tend to be the lowest common denominators if you catch my drift.

Stay humble, keep your heads down, remember what made you successful originally, and keep "grinding" out the good stuff (see what I did there??). :)

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neo1987 wrote:
I wrote the OP to the developers and, after reading the responses here and on Reddit, I'd like to send a message to the community as well:

Yes, the meme was making fun of Redditors complaining. So what? Your lack of empathy is causing you to bring logic & technicality into an emotionally charged situation; you're missing the forest by fixating on a single tree. The dev wasn't crying about THAT meme in particular, but ALL the memes and negativity they've seen. It adds up. Chris did the right thing in speaking up about it and the proper response from any human community, even on the internet, is to feel shame about it. We're all stressed from this awful virus disrupting our lives, so "be nicer" is the presiding message here and it’s a healthy message to send.

Also, the game factually isn’t in decline. It’s doing just fine, as evidenced by Tencent’s investment (whether you agree with that decision or not). GGG now has more resources and staff than ever before. You’re confusing your subjective ideals of how the game should be in your opinion with your perception of it’s broader perceived quality. That’s not how the world works. The devs and their decision making are what made this game popular, not you. They are better at this than you. You will continue to feel frustrated until you realize this - that you are being overconfident in the value of your own opinions.

I think all this toxicity is coming from two things primarily: Emotional incompetence and cognitive dissonance.

Internet culture values intelligence over emotional intelligence, so naturally people get logically smarter but emotionally stagnate or even become fully sociopathic (emotional retardation/deficit). Part of maturity is realizing that emotional intelligence is the far more important skill in any community of humans. Simply, you will get more done and make more friends.

Another thing is players seem to have an ideal in their minds of how things SHOULD be, but forget that their “should” might destroy what made the game successful in the first place - something the developers know all too well and have a healthy fear of every time they make a change. Sometimes they’ll get it right and sometimes they’ll get it wrong - that’s the risk they face in every content release. They know this already and don’t need you to remind them every two seconds.

This is a problem of humility in the community here. For example, younger people have idealistic expectations and become frustrated when the world doesn’t bend to those expectations - that’s a cognitive dissonance. The solution to cognitive dissonance (that sense of frustration) is practicing humility - the realization that one is frail, fallible, and needs the help of the community. Humility generally makes you happier because you lower your “bar” back down to reality and other humans become more comfortable talking to you. I recommend it.

It’s true that some of the feedback and ideas you’ve all posted are really quite good, but if you don’t practice emotional intelligence and humility in your delivery, then your ideas will never be received and ultimately acted upon. All you’ll do is ruin a dev’s day, who is a human person with feelings just like you, and nothing will be achieved.

Learn humility, learn emotional intelligence. You will be happier, so will the devs, and more will get done.

I hope this helps. :)
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I agree with you OP.
Some people are just.. you know.. disappointingly human.



I for one still is a GGG 'white knight'.
Still enjoys PoE very much and believe that GGG's team deserves our appreciation and respect.
I know we need to feedback but make it constructive, or at least civil and respectful.
It's just some of the vocal minority but still.

Sometimes I wish for an Emphatic Reflection Affix
- Humans reflect 50% of Emotional Damage/Distress
for us to at least feel half of what the other person feels after we physically, verbally or emotionally attack that person.

To the developer from the many silent majority who still loves GGG.
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ TAKE OUR ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Love and Appreciation.
Filthy Casual Scrub.
"Belief is the strongest metal of them all." - Izaro
Last edited by element274#1105 on Jun 9, 2020, 10:28:40 AM
Reddit is mostly a toxic place, and poe's subreddit is no different. The fact that the official forums are no longer the main communication device between GGG and players is just plain wrong. The fact that devs are using poe's subreddit to browse through all the crap that's posted there is even worse - it should be ignored all together. I do, however, feel sorry for the lad, and hope the little, obnoxious reddit keyboard warrior gets what he deserves.

I miss the old days where Chris would just hop onto the official forums, write some replies to threads, explain some of the mechanics, etc.
Sitting in HO spamming alts for 4 hours straight is peak PoE gameplay. Thanks, Chris.
Last edited by Ydoum#5726 on Jun 9, 2020, 10:00:57 AM
What's this? A positive post on the forums? Thanks my dude, faith in PoE forums restored. :D

They should have someone on the team who scans Reddit and the forums for valuable feedback and filter in that fashion. That way, the heavy weight is not on the devs.

Also @here: please don't post the meme here. It's hurtful and unnecessary.

Keep up the great work, GGG! <3
The opposite of knowledge is not illiteracy, but the illusion of knowledge.
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Ydoum wrote:
Reddit is mostly a toxic place, and poe's subreddit is no different. The fact that the official forums are no longer the main communication device between GGG and players is just plain wrong. The fact that devs are using poe's subreddit to browse through all the crap that's posted there is even worse - it should be ignored all together. I do, however, feel sorry for the lad, and hope the little, obnoxious reddit keyboard warrior gets what he deserves.

I miss the old days where Chris would just hop onto the official forums, write some replies to threads, explain some of the mechanics, etc.


I'm actually surprised they focus on reddit over the forums - reddit is fueled by rage more than anything over even the mundane topics.
Yep, totally over league play.
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SeCKSEgai wrote:
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Ydoum wrote:
Reddit is mostly a toxic place, and poe's subreddit is no different. The fact that the official forums are no longer the main communication device between GGG and players is just plain wrong. The fact that devs are using poe's subreddit to browse through all the crap that's posted there is even worse - it should be ignored all together. I do, however, feel sorry for the lad, and hope the little, obnoxious reddit keyboard warrior gets what he deserves.

I miss the old days where Chris would just hop onto the official forums, write some replies to threads, explain some of the mechanics, etc.


I'm actually surprised they focus on reddit over the forums - reddit is fueled by rage more than anything over even the mundane topics.


It baffles me as well. They have a perfect platform in their own domain and prefer to use a 3rd party site for communication.
Sitting in HO spamming alts for 4 hours straight is peak PoE gameplay. Thanks, Chris.
I'm not going to lie, I remember being too harsh in the past towards news meant to be exciting. It was immature on my part, and I still regret it to this day because I often wonder if I am part of the reason they stopped doing individual teaser threads on this forum. It's been apparent that the constant barrage of negativity has been a huge burden on the developers, and despite many decisions I might disagree with and still openly criticize (although I really should double check the tone of my posts in the future), the developers are truly strong for putting up with the community for so long.
I didn't know about this because I spend most of my time here, but it's really sad to hear. The entitlement of some people boggles my mind. GGG has been developing this game non-stop and giving it to us for free. Have they made mistakes? You better believe it but they're human and I feel they're always trying to improve. People here and on reddit complain like small children sometimes. Using profanity in feedback, calling out someone's 'lack of skill', and now they're making it even more personal? All because you can't get what you want? Leave then. If you really want to hurt GGG leave. Don't give them any more money, don't give them web traffic by coming to the website, just pretend they don't exist any more. That's how you hurt a business.

If you must complain, and you have a right to, be professional about it. If i were to curse you, call you stupid, and insult you and your skills, would you listen? No you wouldn't. You'd tune me out or start some needless multi-page argument that would lead to nothing. The only way to improve personally or professionally is criticism but it must be constructive. Stop the downward spiral toward absolute toxicity (couple band references for the music lovers) of the forum. Don't let every corner of the internet become dark and poisonous. It's already got to the point I don't even read certain forum topics because I know what it's going to turn into, auction house and loot pets are two of them. Complain if you want but keep it civil and professional so they will at least listen.
Arguing on the Internet: What's the point when you can't punch them in the face when they really piss you off?
This is sad to hear....

Everyone is welcome to a opinion, and any developers welcomes constructive criticism as it helps improving their skills.

However, I can't even imagine how far this guy on Reddit had to go to break someone down so far... I don't think that should be acceptable behavior at all.

The state of the world is bad enough as it is, and games are a refuge for many of us, and the developers helps and shapes our choice of breaking away. If you can't respect that, at least have the decency to remember that it is another human on the other side. One that is living in the same messed up world as you are.
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die. " ~ Hunter S Thompson ~
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Marinxar wrote:
However, I can't even imagine how far this guy on Reddit had to go to break someone down so far... I don't think that should be acceptable behavior at all.


This is it:

Spoiler


OP intentionally left out the reason because he knew the ggg dev meltdown was a gross over reaction. That image is a meme about how someone would predict what the reddit sub would look like 1 week into harvest league. Almost all of these things are just memes on reddit and not ggg, and 100% the worst thing you see on that image has nothing on the garbage that infests these forums.

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