Blade Vortex not affected by Shaper's Presence (1.650.143.925)

Blade vortex is not affected by Shaper's Presence from Solstice Vigil for me. See this video:

https://gfycat.com/aromaticactualgardensnake

Blade Vortex supported by Increased Duration has a skill duration of 8.7sec. The Shaper's Presence should increase this by 50%, yet the Blade Vortex can be seen expiring after 8.7sec. Meanwhile, Blade Vortex' duration is affected by self temp-chains from shackles. Using the above mentioned Blade Vortex with self-tempchains on a curse effect of 40% and solstice vigil should yield a duration of 32,19sec, yet it actually lasts 14,5 - the original 8.7sec modified by the effect of a 40% curse effct temp chains (1.6667), indicating that the Shaper's Presence effect is not affecting it.

Bug ID 1.650.143.925

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Shaper%27s_Presence

I sthis what you are talking about?

This is what it says on wiki -->
Mechanics
Shaper's Presence causes effects on you and nearby allies to expire 33% slower.
This effectively increases duration of all buffs (positive and negative) by 50%.

I don't see how that should affect BV, since BV is not a buff.

The specific mention of "buff" is made by wiki commentary. The tool-tip shown on the wiki mentions the nonspecific "Effects on you and nearby allies expire slower.". Temporal Chains also affects all Effects (besides itself) with the general mention of "Effects", so affecting the expiry speed of Effects should also apply to BV. There are multiple possibilities to explain why it doesn't work besides it being a bug for sure, but with the available information it needs either fixing or clarification as with the available information, Shaper's Presence and Temporal Chains should be the same effect (with the difference that Temporal Chains doesn't affect its own duration)

Edit: Just ran a map to test, and indeed the effect of solstice also affects Debuffs, so the tooltip on the wiki seems correct in that it's a global "Effects".

Edit2: Sorry, misread your post - the wiki already mentions "buffs and debuffs". Still bad wording, though, as Shaper's Presence is, as already mentioned, meant to apply to "Effects", which is a broader term. As you can see here, Power Charges and Headhunter Effects are also affected by Shaper's Presence (as can be seen from the blue duration indicator)

I guess that BV is not considered an “effect affecting you” (unlike charges or headhunter effects). I suppose it would not affect Vaal Cold Snap duration either.

The issue here is the discrepancy between Temporal Chains and Shaper's Presence - if the tooltip on the wiki is to be believed, both should be "Effects on [unit] expire X% slower" type effects, and thus apply to the same effects (with the exception of temp. chains not affecting itself). Yet, Temporal Chains affects Blade Vortex and Shaper's Presence does not. This discrepancy, to me, is either a bug or in need of clarification.

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blackytemp wrote:

The issue here is the discrepancy between Temporal Chains and Shaper's Presence - if the tooltip on the wiki is to be believed, both should be "Effects on [unit] expire X% slower" type effects, and thus apply to the same effects (with the exception of temp. chains not affecting itself). Yet, Temporal Chains affects Blade Vortex and Shaper's Presence does not. This discrepancy, to me, is either a bug or in need of clarification.

Look at the bottom lines of discription:
"This effectively increases duration of all buffs (positive and negative) by 50%."
BV is not a buff.

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Uoykai wrote:

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blackytemp wrote:

The issue here is the discrepancy between Temporal Chains and Shaper's Presence - if the tooltip on the wiki is to be believed, both should be "Effects on [unit] expire X% slower" type effects, and thus apply to the same effects (with the exception of temp. chains not affecting itself). Yet, Temporal Chains affects Blade Vortex and Shaper's Presence does not. This discrepancy, to me, is either a bug or in need of clarification.

Look at the bottom lines of discription:
"This effectively increases duration of all buffs (positive and negative) by 50%."
BV is not a buff.

That line is something that a player added to the Wiki--nothing to do with how it actually works or should work. I can log in right now and change that line from buffs to effects, which would make it accurate based on the actual tooltip description.

Then what?

Done. So now what?

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aggromagnet wrote:

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Uoykai wrote:

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blackytemp wrote:

The issue here is the discrepancy between Temporal Chains and Shaper's Presence - if the tooltip on the wiki is to be believed, both should be "Effects on [unit] expire X% slower" type effects, and thus apply to the same effects (with the exception of temp. chains not affecting itself). Yet, Temporal Chains affects Blade Vortex and Shaper's Presence does not. This discrepancy, to me, is either a bug or in need of clarification.

Look at the bottom lines of discription:
"This effectively increases duration of all buffs (positive and negative) by 50%."
BV is not a buff.

That line is something that a player added to the Wiki--nothing to do with how it actually works or should work. I can log in right now and change that line from buffs to effects, which would make it accurate based on the actual tooltip description.

Then what?

Then do it, if you can and you want.
It wont change anything, it doesn't work on BV.

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aggromagnet wrote:

Done. So now what?

Congratulations, you are so smart, now you know how to change wiki...

Nothing to do with being smart. Just fixing information that is obviously incorrect as being the reason for the problem the OP is having. If it's not working, it should be. It's the exact same effect as that portion of Temp Chains but at a lower, static value.

Something to consider, OP. If you are self-cursing Temp Chains, or getting it applied to you by map mod or mobs--the effects shouldn't stack on you. Temp Chains would win because it's the higher value effect.

Would test myself if I could, but the only Vigil I had was turned into a Rare Amulet of Vendor Trash in the Temple. Maybe someone else who has one can confirm what's going on.