syndicate should go core, and for completely wrong reasons

so from what ive read, the syndicate encounters were supposed to add a new layer of fun to the gameplay. well, they dont. they do extremely high damage compared to other things you can encounter, lag like a motherfucker, and in case of intervention, are downright annoying and wont get off of you until they fuck you up. so yeah, thats not good.

but! they do add a completely new fun factor, something that poe never had before, something that is very important. you see, i understand what ggg was trying to do with poe story, but honestly...it is absolute shit. you can disagree all you want, but if you ask random players, 9 out of 10 wont be able to answer even the most fundamental things like whos the main villain or whats the story about.

but with syndicate, we get a bunch of characters that add the comedy relief that feels really nice! for example it that fled is just adorable, guff is funny af, korell is extremely likeable although i cant really pinpoint exactly why in specific etc. i mean sure, there are assholes like for example vorici who just talks massive amounts of shit and you wanna kill him every time even though hes already rank 3, but thats actually really good! you cant really be indifferent to these guys, unlike the main story that kinda feels like avocado with extra oil.

so yeah, rant over. rebalance sure, but keep the syndicate, game has kinda needed something like that for a long time!
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Betrayal is more than certainly going to core, but it's not going to be because of the story and dialogue (though I reckon the effort put into it is a factor). There's a lot of opportunity to have the syndicate, to manipulate it to give you rewards which cater exactly to your playstyle rather than dumping a huge pile of garbage loot like Delve, Incursion, or Breach.

Also, I'm gonna be nitpicky about your OP:
The reason most players don't know who the main villain is, is because there is no main villain. The entire story is you getting exiled, surviving, bumbling through Wraeclast and Oriath at the behest of other people, and killing anything that gets in your way. Dominus, Malachai, and Kitava were all obstacles in your path of survival. Even the Shaper and the Elder were nuisances, requested to deal with them by Zana. You have no goal, you just exist and do things for other people.
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Last edited by Pizzarugi#6258 on Feb 7, 2019, 4:02:21 PM
Did he just said garbage and Breach in one sentence?
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Pizzarugi wrote:
Dominus, Malachai, and Kitava were all obstacles in your path of survival. Even the Shaper and the Elder were nuisances, requested to deal with them by Zana.

I always took it as a vengeance thing. You try to fight your way inlands to get to the prick that exiled you. Dominus. By the time that is achieved you already know about malachai and the cataclysm, sooo the next thing to do is prevent the world from ending, duhh...

after that a little bit more vengeance - off to oriath.

there the whole thing goes a little bit different than planned and also that beast killing incident had greater repercussions than anticipated. So back to wraeclast it is to do some deicide.


The only thing the exile is really doing is cleaning up after him/herself the whole time and stepping into bigger shit every time doing so. Also preventing apocalypse whenever it happens to be necessary
Last edited by Scherge#6940 on Feb 8, 2019, 12:16:47 PM
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Konki26 wrote:
Did he just said garbage and Breach in one sentence?


Yes, I did. I also said "loot" right after "garbage", which completely changes the context of what you think I said. Breach, like Delve and Incursion is mostly fighting huge hordes of things in a short span of time and being rewarded with a mountain of useless drops. You may find a good item or two, probably some currency, the vast majority is garbage. At least Betrayal doesn't beat around the bush and just gives you the valuable stuff and completely skips over the junk.

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Scherge wrote:
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Pizzarugi wrote:
Dominus, Malachai, and Kitava were all obstacles in your path of survival. Even the Shaper and the Elder were nuisances, requested to deal with them by Zana.

I always took it as a vengeance thing. You try to fight your way inlands to get to the prick that exiled you. Dominus. By the time that is achieved you already know about malachai and the cataclysm, sooo the next thing to do is prevent the world from ending, duhh...

after that a little bit more vengeance - off to oriath.

there the whole thing goes a little bit different than planned and also that beast killing incident had greater repercussions than anticipated. So back to wraeclast it is to do some deicide.


The only thing the exile is really doing is cleaning up after him/herself the whole time and stepping into bigger shit every time doing so. Also preventing apocalypse whenever it happens to be necessary


This is going to be a long-winded interpretation to the story...

Spoiler
The only time you do anything of your own free will is to go clear the passage into the flooded caverns. Meanwhile, Tarkleigh or Nessa are constantly telling you to kill things. Tarkleigh wants you to clear a way to the mainland by cutting through Brutus and when you do, Piety cuts off the path inland. You continue following Tarkleigh's objective by seeking an alternative route by killing Merveil, trekking through the woods, and unblocking the passage.

In act 2, you're told bandits are terrorizing the villagers, so you're tasked to go deal with it. You do, in a fashion, by either killing them all or sparing one of them. Meanwhile, Gruust tells you to investigate old ruins where blackguards were spotted. In there, you rescue Helena who tells you Piety is up to no good, so you need to make your way to Sarn by going through Vaal ruins. You unleash a dark entity in the process, so everyone guilt trips you into fixing your own fuckup. You make your way up the pyramid and kill the sun-eating monster which somehow breached into Sarn during the time you were there.

In act 3, you're told to rescue Tolman, but were too late. As you head into the sewers, Maramoa tells you to kill Gravy Sauce. Several hitches in the journey lead you to the gemling queen who helps you get around Gravicius's barricade. After murdering him, you're then told to deal with Piety. After murdering her, you're told you still gotta kill the guy responsible for her being here in the first place: Dominus. After you climb the tower and murder him, Dialla shows up and says your ass is still not done murdering.

In act 4, your job here is real simple: Kill Malachai and the beast. You do it, killing Voll for access to the mines then Kaom and Progresso the Soup King for access to the beast. As you murder Malachai and the beast, you're told there's a portal to return to Oriath.

In act 5, you wind up in the middle of a clusterfuck of a rebellion, so you slaughter your way through the carnage. When you get to town, you're sent off to go murder more high-ranking templars because freedom. You do that, and it turns out one was harboring a god with not-so-Innocence intent. You beat the purity out of him before the antichrist shows up and says you fucked up, and now an apocalyptic hunger god is nomming everything. Of course he wants you to fix your own fuckup. You go find a staff to reach him, fight a living statue who beats you by realizing that shiny stick = bad. You're then rescued by the antichrist who says you haven't fixed your fuckup so you gotta go back to Wraeclast and buff up by taking something from the dead beast.

In act 6, you're immediately told to kill undead rich people and Tarkleigh goes back to giving you orders about finding Nessa who fucked off somewhere. You find out she's been corrupted by Mr. Krabs and now you're on a whirlwind adventure to save her and commit deicide. Oh yeah, and collect the soul of one of Malachai's BFFs along the way. You kill the oversized crab god, but you're not done playing Cuphead and collecting souls for the devil, so you hitch a ride with a sassy pirate ghost who's now your best friend.

Act 7 is still the same, go find the next BFF and steal his soul. Oh and by the way, the village went to shit while you were gone, so you gotta kill a god and his puppet who gave you shit the whole time you were in act 2, so that's fun. During the soul stealing adventure, you find out the strange poet in act 2 has a severe case of arachnophilia so Eramir tells you to go slap some sense into him. You find the black widow's lair and discover that Yeena takes "hot fox" very literally and burns you a passage inside. When you get to the bottom of the spider-infested hellhole, you're once again too late to save the mad poet who gets nommed by the overgrown spider. The antichrist is still breathing down your neck about your mission, so you take a fragment of her power and fuck off back to Sarn.

Act 8, Hargan tells you the town, just like the village, turned to shit and there's a deflated balloon of a woman causing it. Turns out it's Malachai's 3rd BFF, so you kill her and steal her soul contract for the devil who tells you to return to the beast. Cool. By the way, two divine twins who control the sun and moon are alive, and vying for control over whether to turn the world into an easy-bake oven or a dark ice cube, so Maramoa tells you to murder both, because that for some reason won't fuck anything up. I forgot to mention Grigor is missing and surprisingly, it's not because your slow ass didn't rescue him in time. You go to praise the sun and moon before killing them before Totally Not Satan tells you to proceed forward.

You reach act 9, only to discover the town has become TOTALLY FUCKING METAL! The embodiment of your closeted demons tells you that you need to go back into the beast, but you can't go back in the same way you did in act 4 because fuck you. Fetch quest time! Sin Nye the Antichrist is gonna teach you how to make a bomb! Also the leader got abducted by a power-hungry traitor, so rescue her or something. Also more fetch quests by the obligatory twinsies, and a request for revenge by a lady who loved petting an armored reptile-thing 24/7 in act 4. You make your way to the core of a rotted beast, after fetching a gland from a monster that wins staring contests by turning contestants to stone and some powder in storage room guarded by a walking electrical pylon. Satan tells you he's going to make your soul-collection efforts a complete waste of time by freeing them, so you gotta go and kill them again in their own little realms of delusion. You do that, but that's not good enough, so now you gotta go into the corest of cores and kill the trio yet again, except now they're essentially a balloon animal made by an amateur. You kill it, dead beast shits you out of one of its pores, and somehow pirate lady and her sassy granddad were already there waiting for you.

Finally, you're at act 10. Hey look, the town turned to shit while you were away. Who'd have thought? The guy who shouted at you for beating the purity out of his god now needs help, so you're told to go rescue him. After you do, he says he wants to awaken the god lurking in his guts, so you gotta fight your way through Hell City to find the staff of head honcho templar who previously harbored him. Before I forget, Sassy Granddad pirate wants to get his bone on, so he asks you to fetch him a love potion, and his granddaughter wants to go on a pirate adventure and tells you to get her a map, but you don't have to do it or anything. Oh, and the lady-who-totally-wasn't-gonna-betray-you in act 5 totally betrayed you when you left, so you're asked to kill her. You get the staff, dude goes super saiyan and vaporizes himself because this isn't DBZ, and his god thanks you by opening a passage to Hungry Man. You fight your way through the water channels and face the giant once-statue again, but not before the antichrist and his brother admit they're both weak as shit and hide it by saying you're the hero of the story. When the fight's over, it turns out you are a real heartbreaker!
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Last edited by Pizzarugi#6258 on Feb 8, 2019, 2:55:52 PM
You misspelled "Syndicate should go core because cameria drops sulphite scarabs otherwise ppl will hit Delve 250 one week before each league ends"

To be honest my main objectives this league were:

Cameria - Intervention - SUlphite Scarabs
Jorgin - Intevention - Beastiary Scarabs (maybe once or twice in research to turn a cool amulet into talisman)

It That Fled in Research for the Pure Breachstones (thank God they nerfed Beachheads to death)

actual non league-specific rewards were Vorici White Sockets and Hillock QUality.

Everything else i didn`t care.

Oh, and most important objective in Betrayal: Don`t accidentally open portal to Catarina and screw up my syndicate
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Pizzarugi wrote:
[...]so everyone guilt trips you into fixing your own fuckup.[...]

[...]You beat the purity out of him before the antichrist shows up and says you fucked up, and now an apocalyptic hunger god is nomming everything. Of course he wants you to fix your own fuckup.[...]

yeah exactly!

But lots of quests are optional. And of course the exile helps people because they help him/her in return.

I mean act3 for example: You want dominus. So you need the tower key from piety (also you have that vendetta with her as well), to get to her you need to walk through gravicious, to get to him you need dialla and to get to her you need the sewer key and some overall exploring of the city.

Most of the time it's arriving at some place trying to get from A to B. But to get there you need to go to C, D, E, Y and Q... and while you're at it how about you go look for a medicine chest, it would be really nice to do so ;D


But i have to applaud. Summed the story up in a humorous way
That was a good read, thanks Pizzarugi !
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syndicate is 100% going core. they would not have paid so many voice actors to just discard it
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When syndicate goes core, I hope they totally rework it. It's just annoying as it is now, that's why I bailed on this league.

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