100% reduced mana reservation Heralds + support gems

Using Victario's influence, Elementalist can now get 100%+ reduced mana reserved for Heralds. Meaning you could run one herald with 5 support gems for no mana.
Or two heralds with 4 support gems, etc...

Or even just run three heralds for free, and have super cheap arctic armour and a blasphemy curse in a 6s armour.

Or use prism guardian and run 3 heralds for free in that (if you also have skyforth). You get the idea.

Not really a question, just thought it was worth pointing out. It would be cool to see some fun herald builds :)

reduced =/= less

Doesnt work the way you think ;)

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Orbaal wrote:

reduced =/= less

Doesnt work the way you think ;)

Reduced doesn't equal less, I agree.
All the bonuses are reduced, though. So it should work fine.

So, 25% reduced from Mastermind of Discord, 30% reduced from Victario's Influence for 55% reduced overall.

Heralds would normally reserve 25% of mana, so each one would reserve ~12% instead, unless I'm missing something. Which is still nothing to sneeze at, but it's nonzero.

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PrinceoftheDawn wrote:

So, 25% reduced from Mastermind of Discord, 30% reduced from Victario's Influence for 55% reduced overall.

Heralds would normally reserve 25% of mana, so each one would reserve ~12% instead, unless I'm missing something. Which is still nothing to sneeze at, but it's nonzero.

You're missing up to 38% from tree, 2 from unique jewel, 8 from alpha's howl and 6 from skyforths. So 54% all up, or 109% reduced. You don't need the last 9% of course, so you can drop some nodes or a unique or two. But since you will probably want to use auras anyway in your build (since you invested in them heavily), you might as well go for the full 109, or at least 105 if you don't want to visit duelist area.

My god you don't have a clue of the reduced mechanic !

Recuded is NOT additive, it is multiplicative.

Conclusion :

Reserved mana for one herad in victario with mastermind of discord= 0.25 * 0.75 * 0.7 = 0.13125 : this is 13.125 % reserved mana

With the same mechanic, the talent tree give 6 nodes with 4% reduced one with 6% reduced and one with 8%. It is still MULTIPLICATIVE and not additive => 0.96^6 * 0.94 * 0.92 = 0.677

Reserved mana for one herad in victario with mastermind of discordwith tree nodes = 0.25 * 0.75 * 0.70 *0.677 = 0.059 : this is 5.9% reserved mana

Final conclusion : you will never reach 0% reserved with reduced mana because it is multiplicative. (Take all reduced mana in tree is moreover totally unefficient). If you have any doubt, test it yourself in game and you will see it works like I said.

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dudiobugtron wrote:

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PrinceoftheDawn wrote:

So, 25% reduced from Mastermind of Discord, 30% reduced from Victario's Influence for 55% reduced overall.

Heralds would normally reserve 25% of mana, so each one would reserve ~12% instead, unless I'm missing something. Which is still nothing to sneeze at, but it's nonzero.

You're missing up to 38% from tree, 2 from unique jewel, 8 from alpha's howl and 6 from skyforths. So 54% all up, or 109% reduced. You don't need the last 9% of course, so you can drop some nodes or a unique or two. But since you will probably want to use auras anyway in your build (since you invested in them heavily), you might as well go for the full 109, or at least 105 if you don't want to visit duelist area.

Good point. I forgot about those... that shows you how much I play around with reducing mana reservation, LOL.