AMD Lag / Intel No lag (GGG please see this)

Hello, I have been talking to a few friends about whether they experience lag during gameplay or not. I believe I have come to the realization, that Path of Exile just isn't optimized for AMD users. Since Path of exile is CPU heavy, instead of GPU heavy I have been asking a few friends what CPU's they have.

Including my (AMD FX 8370 8 core 4.0 GHz) - Experiencing anywhere from 100 to 10 FPS
Another friends (AMD FX 4350 4 core 4.2 GHz) - Experiencing anywhere from 60 to 10 FPS

To Intel users (Intel i7-7700K 8 core 4.2GHz) Solid 60 FPS
Another Intel (Intel i5-6500 4 core 3.2GHz) Solid 60 FPS

Also taking into consideration of the requirements for Path of Exile listed below
(https://www.geforce.com/games-applications/pc-games/path-of-exile/system-requirements)


Im pretty sure that the game just isn't optimized for AMD, and its something that GGG might consider looking it? I mean, I like Path of Exile, and I probably will build my next rig to be Intel. However, there will be people with AMD, that refuse to get into Path of Exile, because it requires them to essentially build a new rig. Since CPU's arent the cheapest thing on a rig to swap over.


-Something else to note, is I have another suspicion that the steam client is just badly optimized, versus the official client.

(Both AMD users are using the Steam Client.) (The i7-7700k 8 core 4.2GHz is using the official client, however, the Intel I5-6500 4 core 3.2GHz is using the steam client)


[Edit] I suppose I should add this in, so there's less confusion. Each one of these examples has anywhere from a Nvidia 960 - 1060 graphics card with 4-6 dedicated GPU ram. As well as a suitable amount of ram, 8 gigs of ram to 64 gigs of ram. Each one running on stable internet connections. No overheating. Not really any reason to be lagging.

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Mightyzaxor wrote:

AMD FX 8370 8 core 4.0 GHz

Release Date: 2014

MSRP: Approximately $200.

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Mightyzaxor wrote:

AMD FX 4350 4 core 4.2 GHz

Release date: 2013

MSRP: Approximately $120

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Mightyzaxor wrote:

Intel i7-7700K 8 core 4.2GHz

Release date: 2017

MSRP: Approximately $350

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Mightyzaxor wrote:

Intel i5-6500 4 core 3.2GHz

Release date: 2015

MSRP: Approximately $210


I have to say... you're comparing apples with oranges here. The Intel CPUs in your comparison are both newer and more expensive than the AMD processors you're comparing them against.

My CPU is a Ryzen 7 1700 overclocked to 3.8GHz, and it runs Path of Exile perfectly fine. But then the Zen architecture did represent a ~52% increase in IPC over AMD's previous CPUs, so programs which care about IPC and clock speed (read: games) will see a huge boost there.

The Steam and standalone clients should see identical performance.

Path of Exile's recommended specifications are pretty badly out-dated and... optimistic.

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Sarno wrote:

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Mightyzaxor wrote:

AMD FX 8370 8 core 4.0 GHz

Release Date: 2014

MSRP: Approximately $200.

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Mightyzaxor wrote:

AMD FX 4350 4 core 4.2 GHz

Release date: 2013

MSRP: Approximately $120

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Mightyzaxor wrote:

Intel i7-7700K 8 core 4.2GHz

Release date: 2017

MSRP: Approximately $350

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Mightyzaxor wrote:

Intel i5-6500 4 core 3.2GHz

Release date: 2015

MSRP: Approximately $210


I have to say... you're comparing apples with oranges here. The Intel CPUs in your comparison are both newer and more expensive than the AMD processors you're comparing them against.

My CPU is a Ryzen 7 1700 overclocked to 3.8GHz, and it runs Path of Exile perfectly fine. But then the Zen architecture did represent a ~52% increase in IPC over AMD's previous CPUs, so programs which care about IPC and clock speed (read: games) will see a huge boost there.

The Steam and standalone clients should see identical performance.

Path of Exile's recommended specifications are pretty badly out-dated and... optimistic.

Not saying you are completely wrong, but measuring CPU performance in games, based on the release date of the CPU, is not making much sense.

I run POE totally fine on a 2500, a CPU that is about six years old. I run every game I play on this CPU, just fine. Could I do the same with an AMD CPU from that time? No I could not.

The problem is therefore another.

AMD CPU´s, are not for gaming under DX 11, sadly. They profit a ton from Vulkan and Dx 12, because that´s when they are fully operational and supported. A Game like POE or any DX 11 application, does not even utilize 50% of all combined cores.
Therefore, single core is what matters and in that regard, Intel is miles ahead.

To buy an AMD CPU for gaming under DX 11, is considered a troll move since years, for a reason. :)

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Ygidua wrote:

AMD CPU´s, are not for gaming under DX 11, sadly. They profit a ton from Vulkan and Dx 12, because that´s when they are fully operational and supported. A Game like POE or any DX 11 application, does not even utilize 50% of all combined cores.
Therefore, single core is what matters and in that regard, Intel is miles ahead.

Playing games is not the only thing I use my PC for, friend.

The reason for Intel's quad-core CPUs being the gamer's choice for so long is due to AMD's previously-abysmal per-thread performance, which the Zen architecture has rectified. Indeed, in games such as GTA V & Battlefield 1, we could see Intel's quad-core i5s hit 100% utilisation and bottleneck computers. Coffee Lake's hexcore i5s remedies this.

Looking at Ryzen and Coffee Lake, Ryzen has worse clock speeds and marginally worse IPC. It currently offers much better value when motherboards are factored in. By the time Intel's less expensive chipsets become available, AMD may have the second generation of Ryzen ("Ryzen+") CPUs ready. It's certainly an interesting time to be buying a new CPU.