Question about Molten Strike and support gems
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So currently I am using Ngamahu's Flame, and have molten strike in a 4-link glove while I'm waiting to 6-link the axe.
Right now for molten strike I am using: Molten Strike, Added Fire damage, Multistrike, and elemental damage with attacks support. I plan on adding a combination of either two of fire penetration, physical projectile attack damage support, or concentrated effect support when the axe is 6-linked. What I'm wondering is, wouldn't added fire damage be more beneficial instead of physical projectile attack damage support? My reasoning behind this is that PPAD only increases my projectile attack, while added fire will increase both my melee hit and the balls of molten strike I believe? I've been seeing a lot of builds that prefer PPAD over added fire, and as long as I'm correct in how everything interacts with eachother I'm having a hard time figuring out why this is the case. Is it because the molten burst effect off of Ngamahu's Flame scales better with PPAD because it's only 60% fire damage and 40% physical? I assumed that ngamahu's Flame 50% physical to fire would convert the molten burst the rest of the way to deal 100% fire, am I wrong? Thanks in advance for all the help. This stuff is making my head spin lol. Last bumped on Aug 18, 2017, 1:04:30 PM
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I'd slot multistrike in the axe first and see if it shows up as a support for its internal skill. If it does, slotting multistrike in the axe is going to reduce your Ngamahu's projectiles in damage by half or something for no real benefit, i'd consider setting up your attack skill in your chest instead.
The best supports for molten strike are the ones that benefit both the projectiles and the attack, which is elemental damage with attacks, fire pen, added fire, elemental focus and multistrike. |
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Most people don't put an Attack in Ngamahu's Flame far as I know, just six Supports, at which point PPAD is 100% the best choice. It's just a bigger Damage bonus than Added Fire, simple as that. Conversion has zero impact on this.
Herald of Ash and other Physical-as-Element modifiers make Added Fire relatively weaker, whereas PPAD is always the same Damage bonus. If you only have Herald, eh, it's a toss-up really. ------ "I'd slot multistrike in the axe first and see if it shows up as a support for its internal skill." It doesn't. Molten Burst does not swing your weapon, so it can't swing your weapon three times :P Last edited by Vipermagi#0984 on Aug 18, 2017, 12:29:54 PM
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" That's a good idea, I will slot multistrike in the axe when I get to playing a bit later and see what it does. As far as setting up molten strike in my chest, I was planning on going for Kaom's Heart with this one, but I'll have to rethink that. Maybe Belly of the beast or something similar would be better for me. |
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" So If I have it right, people prefer PPAD simply because it is 49% more damage over 44% with added fire? Also, would you mind explaining why Herald of Ash makes added fire weaker? And if you're really up for it, if you would like to take a look at my current build for the league on my profile, that would be very much appreciated. :) Thank you for all the help so far! Edit: I should also note I'm going to be 6-linking the axe and I planned on using Kaom's heart for this build, so I would be putting my molten strike and all of it's support gems directly into the axe mainly to benefit the strike and not the burst. Last edited by Mault#6664 on Aug 18, 2017, 12:54:31 PM
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"So If I have it right, people prefer PPAD simply because it is 49% more damage over 44% with added fire?"
Yep! "Also, would you mind explaining why Herald of Ash makes added fire weaker?" Relatively weaker - which is to say relative to PPAD. This is due to Added Fire and Herald of Ash granting the same, additive, modifier. Assuming 100% Phys to Fire Conversion, base Damage is 100% of Phys as Fire. PPAD grants 49% More Damage: 100 * 1.49 = 149% base Damage Added Fire grants 44% Phys as Fire: 100 + 44 = 144% base Damage 149 / 144 = 1.0347, meaning PPAD is 3.47% stronger for the Projectiles. Herald of Ash grants 15% Phys as Fire, for a total of 115% base Damage. PPAD: 115 * 1.49 = 171.35% base Damage AF: 115 + 44 = 159% base Damage 171 / 159 = 1.0754 -> PPAD is 7.54% stronger for Projectiles. Like I said, with just Herald of Ash, it's not a big deal. The difference isn't going to be noticable especially due to Added Fire getting a leg-up with the Melee strike. If you also run Hatred and Atziri's Promise and Taste of Hate... Well that's a whole different story :P I'm not really one to give build-specific advice (never really used Molten Strike much!), more of a stats and numbers guy, sorry. Worth noting though, your characters are hidden by default :) Gotta hit the switch to allow others to view them. Last edited by Vipermagi#0984 on Aug 18, 2017, 1:01:11 PM
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" Awesome, I understand perfectly now. Very helpful, thank you so much! Oh, and gotta make my characters public now lol. |
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