increased flask charges gain & charges recovery

what's the difference between "increased flask charges gain" and " increased flask recovery speed"?

Below is my theory but I'm not sure about it.
I have a scion ascend with "50% increased flask charges gain". From theory, 1 slain mob give me 1 flask charge and with that ascend, I now have 1*(1+0.5)=1.5 flask charges per slain mob. Based on that, for a typical flask, I need to consume 30 charges, which means I need at least 30 charges, to gain that, I now just need to kill 30/1.5=20 mobs now with that ascend. However, what does "increased flask recovery speed" means?
I tested another char with no "increased flask charges gain" and equipped a flask with "increased flask recovery speed", when I kill one mob, I gained 1 flask charges; when I kill 2 mobs, I gained 2 flask charges; when I killed a pack of mobs, the number of flask charges gained is more than the number I killed, so I suspected that it means "the recovery speed is proportional to the number of mobs killed". But I'm not sure about this.

Newly changed: increased flask recovery speed->increased charges recovery

I'm fairly certain Flask Recovery Speed refers to Life Recovery and Mana Recovery granted by Flasks

But I call roll " X% increased recovery speed" on utility flask eg. silver flask.

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Vipermagi wrote:

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enter12381 wrote:

But I call roll " X% increased recovery speed" on utility flask eg. silver flask.

Do you have one? I'd love to see it.
(this doesn't happen, ever)

i should corr it as: x% increased charges recovery


What's the diff in mechanic to increased flask charges gained?

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enter12381 wrote:

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Vipermagi wrote:

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enter12381 wrote:

But I call roll " X% increased recovery speed" on utility flask eg. silver flask.

Do you have one? I'd love to see it.
(this doesn't happen, ever)

i should corr it as: x% increased charges recovery

What's the diff in mechanic to increased flask charges gained?

Flask charges gained applies to the number of charges you get from killing a mob; flask charge recovery, which is on a flask, then multiplies the number of charges you gained.

They both do effectively the same thing; increase the rate of flask charge gain. But they are essentially multiplicative of each other.


You have 40% increased flask charges gained and a flask with 30% flask charge recovery. You kill a white mob. You get 1*1.4*1.3 = 1.82 charges. If you watch your charges go up, sometimes you get 1 and sometimes you get 2, so it keeps track of the decimals even if you dont see them directly.

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Pathological wrote:

Flask charges gained applies to the number of charges you get from killing a mob; flask charge recovery, which is on a flask, then multiplies the number of charges you gained.

They both do effectively the same thing; increase the rate of flask charge gain. But they are essentially multiplicative of each other.


You have 40% increased flask charges gained and a flask with 30% flask charge recovery. You kill a white mob. You get 1*1.4*1.3 = 1.82 charges. If you watch your charges go up, sometimes you get 1 and sometimes you get 2, so it keeps track of the decimals even if you dont see them directly.

So i guess the mechanic is like: "x% increased flask charges gain" as "x% increased damage" and "x% increased flask recovery" as "x% more damage", which "increased" is firstly multiplied and "more" is multiplied at final stage.

Now it make sense, THANKS!

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enter12381 wrote:

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Pathological wrote:

Flask charges gained applies to the number of charges you get from killing a mob; flask charge recovery, which is on a flask, then multiplies the number of charges you gained.

They both do effectively the same thing; increase the rate of flask charge gain. But they are essentially multiplicative of each other.


You have 40% increased flask charges gained and a flask with 30% flask charge recovery. You kill a white mob. You get 1*1.4*1.3 = 1.82 charges. If you watch your charges go up, sometimes you get 1 and sometimes you get 2, so it keeps track of the decimals even if you dont see them directly.

So i guess the mechanic is like: "x% increased flask charges gain" as "x% increased damage" and "x% increased flask recovery" as "x% more damage", which "increased" is firstly multiplied and "more" is multiplied at final stage.

Now it make sense, THANKS!

In a sense, yeah... total all your increased flask charges gained, multiply:

base gain * inc flask charges gained * more flask charge recovery