Umbilicus Immortalis and Flask Effect

If I take the Alchemist node when I use this belt, will my zombies and sceptres get the bonus flask effects or not?

Can any dev confirm this because according to the wordings it's clearly said that "increased effect of Flasks" not "increased effect of Flasks on you".

I dont think your minions have the Alchemist node

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Ludvator wrote:

I dont think your minions have the Alchemist node

You have the flasks though. If the node said 'increased effect of flasks you use', it would clearly effect the minions. As the OP explained, if it said 'increased effect of flasks on you', then it would be obvious.

As it is, it's not obvious. Probably they don't get the benefit, but it always pays to check this sort of thing.

Bump for bluepost on this.

I think it should work since it doesnt state "on you" or similar, it just affects the flask by itself. Its just really really hard to test since we cannot see any useful tooltip regarding this.



Additional questions:

Avenger and Surgeon roll, do i need to deal/receive crits or the minions?

Does Animation increase the healing for the Zombies/Spectre with the belt? (mana for life is still better tho)

For reference:

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Milkyslice wrote:

Additional questions:

Avenger and Surgeon roll, do i need to deal/receive crits or the minions?

Does Animation increase the healing for the Zombies/Spectre with the belt? (mana for life is still better tho)

Refilling flasks still happens like normal. So for those flasks, you would need to be the one dealing/receiving crits to get the bonus.

I guess animation would increase the healing of your zombies'/ and spectres' minions, but I'm not really sure how to test it.

Hej there :),

it works for the timer, the effectivness I dont know, how I can test it for sure.


Cheers

I tested the interaction of the flask effect granted by the Alchemist cluster with Umbilicus Immortalis by comparing how much damage a zombie would take from a legacy Forbidden Taste with and without the cluster.


Screenshot of results


Maths:
The flask lasts 4.7 seconds, deals 15% of max life as chaos damage per second and the zombie has 20% chaos resistance and no life regen. I assume flask effect duration does apply as Maruba confirmed it does.

Total damage with no flask effect or duration in play should then be:
4.7 * 15 * 0.8 = 56.4
Meaning the flask should damage the zombie for 56.4% of its max life over its duration.

Looking at the pixels, the life bar seems to me to be 72 pixels wide and missing 41 pixels of life.
41/72 = 0.569 ≈ 57% of its life missing in the left screenshot where I haven't specced into the Alchemist cluster. Fits well enough I'd say.

Next, total damage with the flask effect and duration from taking the Alchemist cluster factored in should be:
(The Alchemist cluster grants 30% increased flask effect and 12% increased flask duration)
4.7 * 1.12 * 15 * 1.3 * 0.8 = 82.12
So if the cluster does fully work with umbilicus then the zombie should be damaged for about 82% of its max life this time around.

Looking at the pixels, the missing life seems to me to be about 58 pixels wide. With the life still being 72 pixels wide total the missing life this time is then:
58/72 = 0.806 ≈ 80% of its life missing in the right screenshot where I have taken the Alchemist cluster. Again, close enough to what would be expected if both flask effect and duration did apply.

If it was the case that only the flask duration from the Alchemist cluster applied and the flask effect did not then the missing life should be:
4.7 * 1.12 * 15 * 0.8 = 63.17 -> 0.6317 * 72 pixels/maxlife = 45.48 pixels missing from the life bar.
The difference of the 58 I'm seeing and the 45 I should be seeing if only the duration modifier applied is too large in my opinion to be a realistic possibility.

So unless someone can point out one or more mistakes in this post I feel pretty confident saying that increases to flask effects definitely applies to flask effects that are affecting zombies and spectres via umbilicus immortalis.