2.1 - Contagion or Essence Drain - THC Hybrid Build 10k+ Pool

The build is planned to work as first character in the new HC league, it doesn't require any good item or specific stats. Just looking for ES, Life, Res, IIR, Cast speed, Spell Damage. The main problem is the total absence of a mitigaion, no armor and very low evasion. But with crap gear the total pool can go easely to 8k+ and with decent gear, probably 1 week into the league can go to 10k+ (with discipline).

The build is at 108 points and it is very flexible from that point.

- Some stats:
194% Energy Shield
183% Life
22% Cast speed
134% Damage over Time
106% Chaos Damage
30% Area Damage
28% Spell Damage
50% Increased Skill Effect Duration

The damage on the tree seems good to me; obviously if the new skills are trash the build is trash, but it will be pretty easy to respec to some different caster.
I took the AoE nodes (no idea if it works or not) hoping that my main skill will be Contagion and it will be enough to fast clear every pack, while Essence Drain can help for single target.

Complete the build:

- There are many different option from there, also removing some Life from the Scion wheel to take one for the option below is a good idea.
- Double Curse could be good, maybe with Blasphemy. It is not an aura based character so the reserved mana is not a problem. For sure it will use Discipline.
- Purity of Flesh + Zealoth's Oath, taking ZO for 2 points make me very very sad but it is also bad to waste 3.2% life regen.
Retribution + Disciline and Training + Sanctity (Templar area), 2 points to get there and you get very nice stats
- There is also the option to add more Spell Damage (witch, Occultist's Dominion) or more Chaos Damage (under the Shadow).

As the link I woul try Contagion + Controlled Destrucion + Rapid Decay + Void Manipulation + Inc AoE/Conc AoE/FC/IIR/Inc Duration

New version:

http://www.exiletools.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwMBAW8EBwSzBx4I9A5IES8RUBGWE20UCRZvFr8W8xhqGmwbJRzcIvQkqiY8JogmlSsKL50y0TW5Nj026TpYPAU9X0VHRZ1JUUmxS65Ms1JTUq9TUlVLVcZYB1xAXGtd8mHiYqxn_GjyakNsC2yMbRl1nnaCeC985X_Gg9uESIfLi3qPGo9Gj_qTJ5Uul5WX9Jrgm6Gdqp2uoS-iAKcIpyunm6yYrUq00bVItzC86r6KwFTAZsNtyAzPFdAf18_ZW9-K37Di9-Nq6QLrY-vu73zviO_r8B_w1ffB99f5Nw==

poeurl.com/tcL


Old version:

For offline skilltree: www.poeurl.com/s7U

http://exiletools.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwMBA-4EBwceCPQNfA5IES8RUBGWE20UCRa_FvMbJRzcHb4i9CY8JogmlSj6KwovnTOHNZI1uTY9Olg64T1fQYdFnUlRSbFLrkyzTeNSU1KvU1JVS1XGV8lcQFxrXfJfKmHiYqxn_GpDbAtsjG0ZdZ52gn_GgseD24RIh8uPGo9Gj_qTJ5Uul5WX9Jrgm6GdqqEvplenCKcrp5usmK1KtNG1SLcwtz64k7zqvorAVMNtyAzPFdAf18_Yvdlb34rfsOkC62Pr5Ovu74jv6_DV8kX31_k3-ej-Cv6P

This looks good and a fun option for the new abilities. I haven't played in the past few months much so can't really give much feedback...but the build looks good. :)

You are so close to good defensive mechanic and not take any... I don't get it. I slightly modified it so apart from huge hitpool you can also use Evasion:

http://exiletools.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwMBA-4EBwceCPQNfA5IES8RUBGWE20UCRslHNwdviL0Jogo-isKM4c1uT1fRZ1JUUmxS65Ms1JTU1JVxlfJXEBd8l8qakNsC20ZdZ52gn_GgseD24fLjxqP-pMnlS6XlZf0muChL6cIpyunm7TRtUi3MLiTvorAVMgMzxXQH9fP2Vvfit-w6QLrY-vk6-7viO_r8NX5N_nobWzndNsaEHu-OujWmyYyAbIZz3oF-RXwkvNeRWHrelM2PVWFpcudqmyMYqydrhps98EfAoP3ES18gyyc9UvBAAMeH0HoWg==

For gear take evasion-ES mix and from auras grace and discipline. If you take ZO and blood dance boots combined with life recovery mechanic of these skills and evasion you should be pretty much safe in most situations. Sadly, we are not sure how good is this recovery mechanic from new skills - if it is you should have pretty great regeneration to both ES and life...but we will see. If it really will turns out to be very effective you can also use corrupted energy jewel:

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Corrupted_Energy

With that you will enhance pros of having both hitpools regenerated.

I modified witch area so it will better sunergise with two of these jewels:

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Eldritch_Knowledge

They can also be used with anatomical knowledge if you will have bigger problems with life rather than dmg.

Cheers,
Abe

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Alex_Lied wrote:

Spoiler

You are so close to good defensive mechanic and not take any... I don't get it. I slightly modified it so apart from huge hitpool you can also use Evasion:

http://exiletools.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwMBA-4EBwceCPQNfA5IES8RUBGWE20UCRslHNwdviL0Jogo-isKM4c1uT1fRZ1JUUmxS65Ms1JTU1JVxlfJXEBd8l8qakNsC20ZdZ52gn_GgseD24fLjxqP-pMnlS6XlZf0muChL6cIpyunm7TRtUi3MLiTvorAVMgMzxXQH9fP2Vvfit-w6QLrY-vk6-7viO_r8NX5N_nobWzndNsaEHu-OujWmyYyAbIZz3oF-RXwkvNeRWHrelM2PVWFpcudqmyMYqydrhps98EfAoP3ES18gyyc9UvBAAMeH0HoWg==

For gear take evasion-ES mix and from auras grace and discipline. If you take ZO and blood dance boots combined with life recovery mechanic of these skills and evasion you should be pretty much safe in most situations. Sadly, we are not sure how good is this recovery mechanic from new skills - if it is you should have pretty great regeneration to both ES and life...but we will see. If it really will turns out to be very effective you can also use corrupted energy jewel:

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Corrupted_Energy

With that you will enhance pros of having both hitpools regenerated.

I modified witch area so it will better sunergise with two of these jewels:

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Eldritch_Knowledge

They can also be used with anatomical knowledge if you will have bigger problems with life rather than dmg.

Cheers,
Abe

I really don't find around 5k evasion as a solid mitigation in HC

4 points to take Survivalist make the exile in me suffer very much...

I changed a bit the tree, I think I don't need the Inc Duratio nodes therefore I skip the scion wheel and go directly to Zealoth Oath, Templar life nodes and double curses (if Blasphemy range sucks no double curse for this build!).

I still didn't understand if Inc AoE Damage may increase Contagion damage.

http://www.exiletools.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwMBAW8EBwSzBx4I9A5IES8RUBGWE20UCRZvFr8W8xhqGmwbJRzcIvQkqiY8JogmlSsKL50y0TW5Nj026TpYPAU9X0VHRZ1JUUmxS65Ms1JTUq9TUlVLVcZYB1xAXGtd8mHiYqxn_GjyakNsC2yMbRl1nnaCeC985X_Gg9uESIfLi3qPGo9Gj_qTJ5Uul5WX9Jrgm6Gdqp2uoS-iAKcIpyunm6yYrUq00bVItzC86r6KwFTAZsNtyAzPFdAf18_ZW9-K37Di9-Nq6QLrY-vu73zviO_r8B_w1ffB99f5Nw==

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oRieLLi wrote:

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Alex_Lied wrote:

Spoiler

You are so close to good defensive mechanic and not take any... I don't get it. I slightly modified it so apart from huge hitpool you can also use Evasion:

http://exiletools.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwMBA-4EBwceCPQNfA5IES8RUBGWE20UCRslHNwdviL0Jogo-isKM4c1uT1fRZ1JUUmxS65Ms1JTU1JVxlfJXEBd8l8qakNsC20ZdZ52gn_GgseD24fLjxqP-pMnlS6XlZf0muChL6cIpyunm7TRtUi3MLiTvorAVMgMzxXQH9fP2Vvfit-w6QLrY-vk6-7viO_r8NX5N_nobWzndNsaEHu-OujWmyYyAbIZz3oF-RXwkvNeRWHrelM2PVWFpcudqmyMYqydrhps98EfAoP3ES18gyyc9UvBAAMeH0HoWg==

For gear take evasion-ES mix and from auras grace and discipline. If you take ZO and blood dance boots combined with life recovery mechanic of these skills and evasion you should be pretty much safe in most situations. Sadly, we are not sure how good is this recovery mechanic from new skills - if it is you should have pretty great regeneration to both ES and life...but we will see. If it really will turns out to be very effective you can also use corrupted energy jewel:

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Corrupted_Energy

With that you will enhance pros of having both hitpools regenerated.

I modified witch area so it will better sunergise with two of these jewels:

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Eldritch_Knowledge

They can also be used with anatomical knowledge if you will have bigger problems with life rather than dmg.

Cheers,
Abe

I really don't find around 5k evasion as a solid mitigation in HC

4 points to take Survivalist make the exile in me suffer very much...

I changed a bit the tree, I think I don't need the Inc Duratio nodes therefore I skip the scion wheel and go directly to Zealoth Oath, Templar life nodes and double curses (if Blasphemy range sucks no double curse for this build!).

I still didn't understand if Inc AoE Damage may increase Contagion damage.

http://www.exiletools.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwMBAW8EBwSzBx4I9A5IES8RUBGWE20UCRZvFr8W8xhqGmwbJRzcIvQkqiY8JogmlSsKL50y0TW5Nj026TpYPAU9X0VHRZ1JUUmxS65Ms1JTUq9TUlVLVcZYB1xAXGtd8mHiYqxn_GjyakNsC2yMbRl1nnaCeC985X_Gg9uESIfLi3qPGo9Gj_qTJ5Uul5WX9Jrgm6Gdqp2uoS-iAKcIpyunm6yYrUq00bVItzC86r6KwFTAZsNtyAzPFdAf18_ZW9-K37Di9-Nq6QLrY-vu73zviO_r8B_w1ffB99f5Nw==

How come you calculated that as 5k ???? It is 8k from grace alone, if you get some decent evasion from gear you should at least double it. We are talking about around 50% less hitts depending on your gearing choices.

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Alex_Lied wrote:

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oRieLLi wrote:

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Alex_Lied wrote:

Spoiler

You are so close to good defensive mechanic and not take any... I don't get it. I slightly modified it so apart from huge hitpool you can also use Evasion:

http://exiletools.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwMBA-4EBwceCPQNfA5IES8RUBGWE20UCRslHNwdviL0Jogo-isKM4c1uT1fRZ1JUUmxS65Ms1JTU1JVxlfJXEBd8l8qakNsC20ZdZ52gn_GgseD24fLjxqP-pMnlS6XlZf0muChL6cIpyunm7TRtUi3MLiTvorAVMgMzxXQH9fP2Vvfit-w6QLrY-vk6-7viO_r8NX5N_nobWzndNsaEHu-OujWmyYyAbIZz3oF-RXwkvNeRWHrelM2PVWFpcudqmyMYqydrhps98EfAoP3ES18gyyc9UvBAAMeH0HoWg==

For gear take evasion-ES mix and from auras grace and discipline. If you take ZO and blood dance boots combined with life recovery mechanic of these skills and evasion you should be pretty much safe in most situations. Sadly, we are not sure how good is this recovery mechanic from new skills - if it is you should have pretty great regeneration to both ES and life...but we will see. If it really will turns out to be very effective you can also use corrupted energy jewel:

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Corrupted_Energy

With that you will enhance pros of having both hitpools regenerated.

I modified witch area so it will better sunergise with two of these jewels:

http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Eldritch_Knowledge

They can also be used with anatomical knowledge if you will have bigger problems with life rather than dmg.

Cheers,
Abe

I really don't find around 5k evasion as a solid mitigation in HC

4 points to take Survivalist make the exile in me suffer very much...

I changed a bit the tree, I think I don't need the Inc Duratio nodes therefore I skip the scion wheel and go directly to Zealoth Oath, Templar life nodes and double curses (if Blasphemy range sucks no double curse for this build!).

I still didn't understand if Inc AoE Damage may increase Contagion damage.

http://www.exiletools.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwMBAW8EBwSzBx4I9A5IES8RUBGWE20UCRZvFr8W8xhqGmwbJRzcIvQkqiY8JogmlSsKL50y0TW5Nj026TpYPAU9X0VHRZ1JUUmxS65Ms1JTUq9TUlVLVcZYB1xAXGtd8mHiYqxn_GjyakNsC2yMbRl1nnaCeC985X_Gg9uESIfLi3qPGo9Gj_qTJ5Uul5WX9Jrgm6Gdqp2uoS-iAKcIpyunm6yYrUq00bVItzC86r6KwFTAZsNtyAzPFdAf18_ZW9-K37Di9-Nq6QLrY-vu73zviO_r8B_w1ffB99f5Nw==

How come you calculated that as 5k ???? It is 8k from grace alone, if you get some decent evasion from gear you should at least double it. We are talking about around 50% less hitts depending on your gearing choices.

I didn't check the exact stats of your build but how it is 8k from Grace? It gives around 2.5k at lvl 20 I think, do you have like 350% evasion?
Man if you use EV gear you have so few ES, I really prefer to have 10k pool and 200 evasion than 6k pool and 10k evasion, at least if we are not talking about LC and ToH.

Just to know normally do you play HC or SC?

Btw thanks for all the suggestion!

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oRieLLi wrote:

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I didn't check the exact stats of your build but how it is 8k from Grace? It gives around 2.5k at lvl 20 I think, do you have like 350% evasion?
Man if you use EV gear you have so few ES, I really prefer to have 10k pool and 200 evasion than 6k pool and 10k evasion, at least if we are not talking about LC and ToH.

Just to know normally do you play HC or SC?

Btw thanks for all the suggestion!

My internet is so laggy that I always play defensive builds but still when you stand still in PoE for few min it is death anyway so I am forced to SC.

Tree gives you 180 % increase. Dex from the tree and blood dance boots which I suggested would give around 30%. So we have 310% of what you get - 2500 * 3,1 = ~7800. Every character get around 300 just from leveling, get "The Vertex" and "Blood Dance" boots and you have a bit more than 10K. I think that not so shabby tradeoff for losing ES just from boots.

Anyway, some builds work on hitpool alone so it is probably more a matter of choice.

Good luck with build, hopefully new skills will turn out to be worth our time xD

Cheers
Abe