Question about Innervate support gem and Heralds

I'm running Herald of Ice and Herald of Thunder on an elemental bow character. Both the Heralds are supported by Innervate. The tooltip for both of them says they have a chance to shock. However, I never gain Onslaught - can someone explain that?

Related question: The skill gem Herald of Thuunder says "cannot apply shock", but when supported by Innervate, the tooltip for HoT says it has #% to shock - is that just a tooltip bug/error?

U need to kill shocked enemy with a skill supported buy innervate, to get he buff. And herald of thunder can not shock, doesnt matter how much shock chance u got. Imagine, that HoT has a shock chance multiplier of 0.

It wouldn't necessarily have to be, 'can't shock' has priority over chance to shock, so even if shock rolls it wouldn't be applied.

Herald of ice would have to do some lightning damage to be able to shock, which would be possible if you link added lightning to it, though impractical.

Hey again 1337fun! You answered my question about iLevel rolls the other day (thanks).

So the HoT tooltip is wrong, but why am I not gaining Onslaught? I've been playing with this setup for a good while now - it's seems impossible to me that the heralds are not making the killing blow at least some of the time...

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Vipermagi wrote:

Do you have more Lightning Damage than *just* Herald of Thunder? Because HoT alone isn't going to Shock anything.

A ele bow he probably runs wrath and maybe even have some lighting dmg on gear.

And as bow build u also probably dont have many ele and lighting dmg nodes. Meaning ur heralds dont actually do much dmg and the only mobs, they would kill, probably die, before they even can trigger.

I think u get the buff ones in a while, nut not often enough to even see it.

I've got tons of lightning damage (using a Stormcloud bow with 2 Static Electricity jewels) - HoT gets proc'd all the time and enemies are shattering a lot as I've got a good bit of cold damage too, along with chance to freeze from Hypothermia - this should be going on to kill other enemies who are shocked and grant the buff.

@1337fun - you could be right that I'm just not noticing - I don't think so, but I'll be keeping a close eye on those icons for the next while.

How often does a HoT strike actually kill a shocked enemy though? They have to survive your initial attacks and then get killed by the herald for it to proc.

I played around with HoIce + Culling + Innervate for a bit and found it to be quite nice. Culling only applies to the explosions of course, but that's all you need. Granted, I had lots of crit and several sources of lightning damage.

Can HoIce even shock with just innervate, wouldn't you still need some lightning damage elsewhere? I feel like you would. On top of that, without Culling odds the right skill gets a killing blow probably aren't great.

It works with HOI but too unrealiable. You need to shatter one target and the shock the next. Only happens with high crit. If you have high enough crit to do both consistently your main skill most like kills targets before Herald gets a chance to do its job.

Might work with 6-link supported HOT... but who's gonna do that?