Boring End Game

PoE uses RNG to keep people grinding it does this via:

1. Gating high level maps
2. Gating high level uniques via maps
3. Gating high level experience via maps
4. Fuses (5L-6L)
5. Chromes


This makes for an extremely boring end game. Pair the above with desync deaths and I think that is why 50% of the playerbase has already left. It's just not a fun end game.

Things that would make for a better end game:

1. Buff Drops! Buff every drop Maps, Currency, and Uniques. This game is about killing monsters and finding awesome items. But the drop rates in this game are abysmal.

2. PvP (The True End Game of ARPGs)

PvP in this game is dead because at the end levels its far too hard to gear a competitive character because all of the gated content. Therefor PvP is dead in PoE and so is the end game.

Solution: Similar to D2:LoD. I think that every boss should have a loot table. That way if you grind one boss you eventually get the item you are searching for. Without this feature I don't see PvP becoming anything other than a RMT fest.

your tears have been noted

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h3rp3s wrote:

2. PvP (The True End Game of ARPGs)

That's not the case. PvP has never been a major aspect of ARPG end game (and PoE has more end game elements than any other ARPG). Yeah, a tiny group of D2 players engaged in self-organized PvP, but that was never a significant part of what made D2 a success.

PvP in PvE-centric games ALWAYS ruins the PvE and STILL doesn't offer a balanced PvP experience.

Play a game specifically designed for PvP if you want that. Balancing the PvE in PoE is a job for years without PvP complicating matters. They unfortunately will have PvP leagues and tournaments, but I am convinced that it will be a major whine fest, and not the promised land that some folks seem to think it'll be. (If you think trading, legacy items or RMT are issues now, wait for PvP with actual rewards, prestige or otherwise.)

What ever happened to just playing a game through and moving onto next game? People really expect a free game or even a $60 one like D3 to last a lifetime? It'll never happen. All games you will get bored. This one stretches things out a bit via new builds you want to try, ladder and races, and new content every 3-4 months but everyone will get bored, someday.

Regardless of the hate you're getting OP your core point stands, endgame is indeed boring. It is what it is.

PvP will always be a jsp/RMT event. Especially at the high end.

Races are the real endgame. You want competition, go there.

But PoE literally did everything possible in an ARPG to make it NOT boring.

Once you finished merciless, you can...

1) craft your own endgame content (maps)
This is completly different from any other ARPG I played so far, where all that was left to do was farm the same bosses or areas over and over.
Here you got something to do at least. And while the variaton is limited if all you do is Courtyard-Palace-Courtyard-Palace..., it still offers more than most ARPGs.
Yes, you could call for an Endless Dungeon. But PoE already has more to offer in that regard than most other games...

2) waste your currency in so many ways
In other games, you sit on billions of gold and have no reason to spend it. It's not even currency, as nobody puts any value to it.
Here, you can actually spend (and waste) it. Sometimes you luck out, most times you don't, but that's expected.

3) aim for High End Uniques and Rares that are almost impossible to get
If they were not out of reach, what exactly would you do after you got them?
Wouldnt it become the same "boring" game, where you just want a 505 DpS Weapon after getting a 487 DpS weapon?

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How exactly would you imagine an endgame that is not "boring"?

a) Levels have to be harder to get.
If not, everybody is 100... and then what?

b) Item upgrade have to be harder to get.
If not, what exactly are you looting for?

I agree that the map variation is not too high, it would be better imho if they would just make every map vary in levels...
Play a 66 Dungeon, a 75 Dungeon, a 69 Dungeon, a 68 Palace, a 71 Courtyard... Why not?
Would make it less boring, instead of playing the same 2-4 map types over and over.

But you have to recognize it is already better in PoE than in most other ARPGs.

If you've traded for gear, it's your own fault that the game is boring. This game is about finding gear... not having it handed to you.

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Mivo wrote:

That's not the case. PvP has never been a major aspect of ARPG end game

Diablo2 is laughing at your sentence

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Alea wrote:

1) good luck mapping the max maps if you play solo, else it's group and you wast much currency into maps

Play Ambush. You have to be an idiot not to get to 78 maps there at least once, if not constantly.
If you are too hardcore for this, then don't cry. You chose to be oh so hardcore.
If you are in standard, well... first: why? Second: harder, but still manageable.


What are 78 maps even good for in terms of gameplay experience (except the XP gain)?
Especially when you run them "white", which in Ambush you sometimes have to because of...

...you will notice it's not really an increase in "difficulty" or "challenge".
Yes they have more hp and hit a little harder, but so do you.
Doing a 77 Piety map with an 80+ character is literally no different from doing a Lunaris Run with a Lvl 65-70 character. You murder all normal monsters, they put up no resistance, then you eat some slightly harder lightnings and ice shots, and then you get your loot.

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btw good luck getting real "end game" meaning 1% of ppl get at this level by various ways and spread it on youtube or twitch tv, just giving to others an hope they could do it someday...

Define your "real endgame".

1. Getting to Lvl 90+? 95+? 100?

What's that even going to do for you?
Even if you had constant access to Lvl 78 content, it would just be an endless grind.
If they somehow made it easier (by reducing the amount of xp needed), then everybody would be 100.
How does that help? What is left to do then?
You think it makes you a better player/person to have a Lvl100 character?

2. Having BiS gear?

Again, then... what?
How is this not boring?

3. At least visiting 78 maps, Atziri map, uber Atziri map once?

If you really want, you will get to some 78 maps and Atziri.
If not by dropping the map (parts), then by simply buying them.
This can be done by anyone.
For Uber Atziri, you obviously have to beat Atziri. Good luck. ;)

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I don't get this crying about "Endgame".
Give me this, give me that...
Even if they gave you all that stuff, I'm 100% sure you would still find it boring and there would still be threads like this.
Haters are always going to take their hate to the next level.