small question - refund points

how many refund points will eventually be?
and why isnt it unlimited?
thx :)

Currently, you can get up to 4 respecs per act. You can more by getting Orb of Regrets.

You can get a couple of points from quests. If you need more then you must use Orbs of Regret.

Unlimited respec would make the passive choices as you level up almost pointless. This game actually offers a significant level of challenge, part of which is due to the fact that passive selection matters and you can't easily revert to zero.

i don't really agree.

challenge is always good. but i don't think the challenge should be starting over anytime you wanna change ur build. it seems kinda exhausting.

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tamir1400 wrote:

i don't really agree.

challenge is always good. but i don't think the challenge should be starting over anytime you wanna change ur build. it seems kinda exhausting.

Planning your character and not throwing yourself into a brainless game that plays and distributes everything for you? Sorry, Diablo 3 is that way if you want something less exhausing.


You make a character when you start a game, you make misstakes you learn. You start another character thinking (okey, I want to do this)

It's called player progression. Building a character outside an Auction house seems like such a foreign idea to some of these younger people.

Orbs of regret do allow you to completely respec if you find enough of them. It will take quite a bit of farming and trading to get enough of them, but your passive skill choices aren't completely permanent.

If your character isn't very far in the game it would be easier to make a new one than farm all of the orbs you need for a complete respec.

"Easy/Unlimited respec vs No/Limited respec" both have their pro's and con's, and personally - I think PoE has hit the right balance.

When first playing D3, I was sort of 'yay, I can tweak my build on the fly' and thought it was great. But then, you have no reason ever to level the same class over again, and unless you enjoy the end-game item grind (which many people do....) the replay factor starts to fall away.

So, you might think "so what, isn't that a good thing?", and I guess that comes down to what you enjoy in an ARPG.

Personally, I tend to like the process of levelling and building/tweaking a character more-so than the end-game item grind. Once I get to the point of 'grinding for incremental upgrades via gear', my interest starts to bottom out.

What I do enjoy though, is trying new builds, tweaking old builds, playing bizzaro-novelty builds, etc. I also like doing farm-runs to gear out lower level characters/etc.

Then, by having fairly permanent character choices builds a stronger sense of attachment / accomplishment to your character.

Something about it is different than simply 'ok, now I want to re-spec everything and do X instead of Y' which lacks that sense of 'I built this myself' feeling, and there is something about re-speccing to farm with X build instead of Y build instantly that lacks the same feeling as re-building 'X' build from the ground up.


By having people re-level through old levels again, it also helps ensure that there is an active lower-level economy / players to play with as people are continually working their way up through the content. There is still value to lower-level items, can still find groups, and there remains a 'low/mid level' community as people try out new builds.


I think GGG has a nice balance of "With request rewards, you have a reasonable chance at correcting minor mistakes, if you are really persistent and farm enough orbs of regret - you can make a major change, but chances are you may be best off simply starting over if you want to do a drastic change".

^ they need to implement a post 'like' button for posts such as this one.