[Help] "thunderstruck" notable position on cluster always furthest?

I am trying to get a large Cluster with Thunderstruck and Stormrider on the 5 passives for 2 Sockets positions.

Is this impossible cause both are prefix, therefore one always on the furthest position? Do the notables always take their "furthest position" unless theres a notable with higher priority? Cause Stormrider isnt higher priority, Thunderstruck will always be furthest?

I tried diffrent positions on the "cluster tooltip", thunderstruck always takes middle on the "notable tooltip" and passive tree.

Most people recommend using the third party program Path of Building to grab example jewels and socket them in your POB passive tree. I have never seen a single person see the POB simulation disagree with the game.

If you dislike downloading a third party program, you could still benefit from POB's work by checking https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/blob/master/src/Data/ClusterJewels.lua#L564 which includes the ID numbers used to sort cluster notables into their respective positions. In order to get Thunderstruck and Stormrider on the outer notables instead of the inner notables, you'd have to find a third Notable that has a value in between the two IDs.

Aaaaaand according to that list, there appears to be no notable with an ID in between the two, as they are adjacent. This implies that you are correct and it is impossible to get these two notables both on the outside ring instead of having one of the notables on the furthest side.

According to the most well-known developer for POB, POEDB also lists the Notables in sorted ID order: https://poedb.tw/us/mod.php?cn=BaseItemTypes&an=Large+Cluster+Jewel and of course, the two Notables are again right next to each other, so you can't get them both on the outside edges.

Seems to be possible.

https://poe.trade/search/esikateyuhosia

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Atech2 wrote:

Seems to be possible.

https://poe.trade/search/esikateyuhosia

Which one of these did you find that didn't place one of the two notables in the furthest position? For example, I took the first search result, found it on official trade website so that I could copy and paste the item data into POB, and POB still simulates it with Thunderstruck on the furthest position.

OP is looking for a cluster jewel that generates with neither Thunderstruck nor Stormrider at the furthest position, which I'm fairly certain isn't possible.

Not sure in-game it is sorted by internal numeric id or text id

but Thunderstruck text id = affliction_notable_thunderstruck

Stormrider = affliction_notable_stormrider

it is only Thunderstruck numeric id = 35430 but Stormrider 37478