Inner force and Aura effect nodes

Is there any reason to go for Inner force over 8% aura nodes?, Inner force and the two nodes beforehand average 7% each whilst most aura nodes are 8%.

I don't know much about buff mechanics but as they both say "increased effect" are they are calculated together? and not after, E.g:

Base aura x (Increased aura effect + Increased buff effect)
and not
(Base aura x increased aura effect) x increased buff effect

If this is correct, is the only purpose to get IF because of the flask/potion increased effect?


Thanks in advance for anyone who replies!

they are calced like this:

Base aura x (Increased aura effect + Increased buff effect)

remember that inner force works for auras other people in your party cast while increased aura effect nodes only affect auras you cast

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kaarelo wrote:

they are calced like this:

Base aura x (Increased aura effect + Increased buff effect)

remember that inner force works for auras other people in your party cast while increased aura effect nodes only affect auras you cast

Thanks for the reply! Stupid as it may seem but I didn't think about this at all!

Closeness also matters. Inner Force is only a few nodes away from Witch and gives 21%, while Sovereignty and Influence are farther away for their 28%. If you're headed that way anyway, the aura nodes are better for auras. But for buffs that aren't auras, Righteous Fire, Blood Rage, Arctic Armor, etc., only Inner Force and Holy Strength will buff them.

Usually you end up getting both.

You usually don't want the buff nodes with Righteous Fire. It increases your self burn so it makes it a lot harder to sustain RF. Getting it with Arctic Armour is kind of dubious too. It will increase the amount of damage reduction but it also increases the mana degen. For that skill, just leveling the skill gives better return of damage reduction per mana degen.

Edit: same would apply to Blood Rage...your chaos damage degen would be increased so you probably wouldn't want those nodes with it.

"Aura Effect" is a subset of "Buff Effect".
Same as "Fire Damage" is a subset of "Elemental Damage".

Aura Effect only applies to (your own) Auras, Buff Effect to some other stuff too.
So it makes perfect sense that "the node of limited use" gets a higher percentage value to compensate.

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mark1030 wrote:

You usually don't want the buff nodes with Righteous Fire. It increases your self burn so it makes it a lot harder to sustain RF. Getting it with Arctic Armour is kind of dubious too. It will increase the amount of damage reduction but it also increases the mana degen. For that skill, just leveling the skill gives better return of damage reduction per mana degen.

Edit: same would apply to Blood Rage...your chaos damage degen would be increased so you probably wouldn't want those nodes with it.

At lvl 20 AA has 38.3 degen and 189 damage reduction. 38.3/189 = 20.26

with inner force 46.343 degen and 228.69 damage reduction. 46.343/228.69 = 20.26

Inner force doesn't change the mana degen to damage reduction ratio, all it does is increase the total values of both. That is just how the math works. If a player has the mana regen there is no reason not to pick up inner force for AA.

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mark1030 wrote:

You usually don't want the buff nodes with Righteous Fire. It increases your self burn so it makes it a lot harder to sustain RF. Getting it with Arctic Armour is kind of dubious too. It will increase the amount of damage reduction but it also increases the mana degen. For that skill, just leveling the skill gives better return of damage reduction per mana degen.

Edit: same would apply to Blood Rage...your chaos damage degen would be increased so you probably wouldn't want those nodes with it.

Couple patches ago they changed all that. Life RF builds wouldn't exist if all the fire nodes still increased your burn. So IF only buffs the spell damage of RF, the leech and speed of BR.

It does increase the mana drain of AA. The increase in -damage makes it worth it if you have the regen.

I was talking about AA below level 20. Leveling the gem vs taking Inner Force. I just said it wrong.

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SilentOppressor wrote:

Couple patches ago they changed all that. Life RF builds wouldn't exist if all the fire nodes still increased your burn. So IF only buffs the spell damage of RF, the leech and speed of BR.

This is incorrect. The change was for damage modifiers only, not buff effect modifiers.

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Righteous fire no longer deals extra damage to players when using x% increased Burning Damage and x% increased Fire Damage, but does increase damage to monsters.

"Increased effect of buffs on you" still increases the self-DoT of righteous fire and blood rage.