Anyone tried duel wielding Prismatic Eclipses?

I got lucky and had two of them drop tonight back to back...


If I'm understanding this sword correctly, it says it will have 25% increased physical damage to weapons per red socket. That means if I duel wield two of these with three red sockets each, they will be providing 75% each to one another.


Which means the mainhand + offhand will have (150% increased physical damage, 30-41 physical damage, 10% block chance) mods on each hand.

The white twilight blade has 23-66 base damage. With a 30-41 phys dam mod, it comes to 53-107 damage. With 150%... It means roughly 130-270 damage on each hand. With a 10% bonus to block on each.




Am I not understanding this correctly? That's duel wielding two prismatic eclipses with three red sockets each.

That's 130-270 physical damage in mainhand and offhand, and a bonus of 20% block chance ontop of the base 15% duel wield already gives.

That sounds very appealing to me, if I'm understanding this correctly.





If that's the case, I plan on making a new character that's geared towards duel wielding these two I found and taking passives into duel wield block chance.

I would greatly appreciate some feedback from some of the duelists on these forums.



EDIT: here is a link to the new unique... http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Prismatic_Eclipse
IGN: Narbays
Last edited by narbays#1524 on Nov 16, 2013, 10:47:11 PM
-Mistaken, trying out numbers atm-
Last edited by Phylaris#5088 on Nov 17, 2013, 2:30:57 PM
they are perfect dual wielding blender cyclone swords

i would go 2 green 1 red on each

pity they are 1.3 base

great cheap alternative to a 270+ dps one hander
Does anyone know for a fact that the bonuses from the red sockets only affect the sword it's on? Because if the green slots are global, why aren't the reds? The description in the unique states weapons with an S and I read it as if it's refering to the plural.


With the 150% phys dam, the sword actually has a respectable dps. Without it, I don't see it being a viable choice. A 90-190 sword with 1.3 attack speed isn't able to produce hits hard enough to effectively penetrate enemy armor, not enough to get a decent killing speed out of them.



It's a shame the actual weapon's stats or speed don't update on the fly when the sockets change. I wish I had some sort of solid confirmation. Does the character sheet update at all showing any changes written in the weapon's description?
IGN: Narbays
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narbays wrote:
Does anyone know for a fact that the bonuses from the red sockets only affect the sword it's on? Because if the green slots are global, why aren't the reds? The description in the unique states weapons with an S and I read it as if it's refering to the plural.


With the 150% phys dam, the sword actually has a respectable dps. Without it, I don't see it being a viable choice. A 90-190 sword with 1.3 attack speed isn't able to produce hits hard enough to effectively penetrate enemy armor, not enough to get a decent killing speed out of them.



It's a shame the actual weapon's stats or speed don't update on the fly when the sockets change. I wish I had some sort of solid confirmation. Does the character sheet update at all showing any changes written in the weapon's description?


Hmm. Trying it out atm and the red sockets may actually interact. Might've messed up my numbers before. I'll update when I'm done testing.
Last edited by Phylaris#5088 on Nov 17, 2013, 2:28:23 PM
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Phylaris wrote:
The weapons don't affect one another. The socket-based phys effect on each sword only affects that individual sword. So assuming 3 red sockets on each sword, it's a 75% boost per sword, not 150%.

However, the green socket attack speed mod is global, so the boost from a green socket will affect both swords. That being said, 6 green sockets doesn't actually end up being the most ideal set-up in reasonable circumstances due to diminishing returns. Something like 2G1R on each sword would provide the optimal tooltip DPS setup.

So basically, it's not as nice as you're envisioning it to be, but it's not too shabby either, especially when factoring in the 20% additional block chance. 15% innate block chance from duel wielding + 20% from 2 Prismatic Eclipses + the 18% dual wield block chance that most Duelist-based dual wield builds run leaves you with 53% block chance, which actually beats out most 1H Sword+Shield specs. If you're running a Bringer of Rain setup, that's another 15% block chance, bringing you to 68%, which is pretty incredible for not having a shield. Throw in an Anvil for the lols and you're capped perfectly at 78% block chance (Anvil provides +3% max block chance) without a shield.

These definitely aren't endgame swords to base an entire build around if you're looking for DPS, but they're incredibly versatile and cheap as a penultimate weapon set, and provide a very substantial defensive boost to boot.


Are you sure? It says 25% boosted physical damage with weapon(s). That's why people use it as an offhand to boost their main hand weapon, right?
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Takaogunz wrote:
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Phylaris wrote:
The weapons don't affect one another. The socket-based phys effect on each sword only affects that individual sword. So assuming 3 red sockets on each sword, it's a 75% boost per sword, not 150%.

However, the green socket attack speed mod is global, so the boost from a green socket will affect both swords. That being said, 6 green sockets doesn't actually end up being the most ideal set-up in reasonable circumstances due to diminishing returns. Something like 2G1R on each sword would provide the optimal tooltip DPS setup.

So basically, it's not as nice as you're envisioning it to be, but it's not too shabby either, especially when factoring in the 20% additional block chance. 15% innate block chance from duel wielding + 20% from 2 Prismatic Eclipses + the 18% dual wield block chance that most Duelist-based dual wield builds run leaves you with 53% block chance, which actually beats out most 1H Sword+Shield specs. If you're running a Bringer of Rain setup, that's another 15% block chance, bringing you to 68%, which is pretty incredible for not having a shield. Throw in an Anvil for the lols and you're capped perfectly at 78% block chance (Anvil provides +3% max block chance) without a shield.

These definitely aren't endgame swords to base an entire build around if you're looking for DPS, but they're incredibly versatile and cheap as a penultimate weapon set, and provide a very substantial defensive boost to boot.


Are you sure? It says 25% boosted physical damage with weapon(s). That's why people use it as an offhand to boost their main hand weapon, right?


I'm trying out the numbers at the moment; I may have been mistaken in my first post.

EDIT: I was incorrect, my mistake - sorry for speaking out when misinformed. Red sockets do infact interact with the opposite weapon. I assumed otherwise previously due to how much more DPS I got out of green sockets than red sockets.

Having two of the swords together leaves you with a combo of swords in the range of 270-290ish DPS when qual'd, which is very solid considering their price/block chance/versatility. I still don't think they're replacements for truly endgame 1H swords, but they're an amazing intermediary.

Either way, though, a dual wield build using Prismatic Eclipses wouldn't really be much different from a regular dual wield build at all, so it doesn't make a difference if you use them as endgame weapons or not.
Last edited by Phylaris#5088 on Nov 17, 2013, 2:42:24 PM
Actually, now I'm just completely confused as to how these swords work.

One prismatic + a 210 pdps weapon completely outdamages two qual'd prismatics. I guess the base damages on each are just too low.

The ideal setup looks to be one Prismatic + a high DPS 1H, as a replacement for getting 2 expensive high DPS 1H's.
Last edited by Phylaris#5088 on Nov 17, 2013, 3:25:45 PM
Does their bonus draw only from weapon sockets or from Armour sockets as well?
Has anyone tested whether they draw their 25% phyiscal damage with weapons bonus from only the sockets on the item or from other items as well?

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