Oversoul one hit kill information

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Never_nou wrote:

Anubite - read thyrandor's reply which says the same thing but doesn't do it gratingly and implies he 'knows what I'm on about' and offers a suggestion rather than a 'demand'.

I've done my very best to be cordial

Deleted my original post.

Forget it.

If you don't want to hear what I have to say, no matter how polite and simply I try to word it, then fine. Guess I'm avoiding any thread you start, until the end of time.

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and a lot of the things you say aren't necessarily true.

Such as...

Edit: I see that I misunderstood the CI percentage, it doesn't raise your Energy Shield by 50% and take away your Life, it replaces 50% of your Life as Energy Shield and just deletes 50% of your Life.

Well then, CI can't ever be 'more' than Life + Energy Shield. Ok, you don't need Flasks and if you're in a situation where you can run away then it rejuvenates relatively quickly.

But no, I don't see how this makes you have 'more' life other than by encouraging you to specialise all your build towards Life and Energy Shield. But you could do that anyway without CI and still have more. And you can get potions which work instantly, even quicker than Energy Shield recovery.

If you're not in a position to run away you die either way.

This still doesn't count as 'a lot of what I say though'. And I do say rather a lot...

anubite has been talking sense all the time. It seems that you are stuck on this "im old and I have played so much that I must survive with what I have" attitude. Just forget everything you have learned from different games. Your items are really crap. You dont need millions of mods, just get very high +hp into every item you have. Max your resistances according to the area you are clearing. For a summoner, all the things that give you dps in items are trivial. Dont use any points in your skill tree into curses, but be sure to use one anyway, they are essential. This is the first time I hear a summoner is having trouble with anything. Usually you dont need ANY items at all and can just breeze behind your summons through everything, and I hate this loop hole in the game.

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It seems that you are stuck on this "im old and I have played so much that I must survive with what I have" attitude.

Erm... are you suggesting there's only one way to play a summoner?

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Just forget everything you have learned from different games.

BWHAHAHA

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Your items are really crap.

What, really really really crap? Ultra crap? Diabolically crap? Like, I might as well be wearing Whites crap?

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You dont need millions of mods, just get very high +hp into every item you have.

Oh really? Just HP eh. And you think I'm stuck in an attitude?

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Max your resistances according to the area you are clearing.

I'm clearing the Oversoul - it says so in the title. Oh, you want to preach about every single level I haven't had a problem with do you?

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For a summoner, all the things that give you dps in items are trivial.

I've found them to be very useful thank you very much.

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Dont use any points in your skill tree into curses, but be sure to use one anyway, they are essential.

For the Oversoul or for the whole game? Why can't you communicate in a 'precise' manner?

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This is the first time I hear a summoner is having trouble with anything.

I guess you don't read much then.

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Usually you dont need ANY items at all and can just breeze behind your summons through everything, and I hate this loop hole in the game.

Well thank-you for grinding that axe on me, that's what this thread is all about you know...

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Never_nou wrote:

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and a lot of the things you say aren't necessarily true.

Such as...

Edit: I see that I misunderstood the CI percentage, it doesn't raise your Energy Shield by 50% and take away your Life, it replaces 50% of your Life as Energy Shield and just deletes 50% of your Life.

Well then, CI can't ever be 'more' than Life + Energy Shield. Ok, you don't need Flasks and if you're in a situation where you can run away then it rejuvenates relatively quickly.

But no, I don't see how this makes you have 'more' life other than by encouraging you to specialise all your build towards Life and Energy Shield. But you could do that anyway without CI and still have more. And you can get potions which work instantly, even quicker than Energy Shield recovery.

If you're not in a position to run away you die either way.

This still doesn't count as 'a lot of what I say though'. And I do say rather a lot...

You're still wrong, CI is +50% more ES, not 50% of your life is converted to ES. There is also the "Sets life to 1 and give complete Chaos damage immunity" parts too.

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kennae wrote:

anubite has been talking sense all the time. It seems that you are stuck on this "im old and I have played so much that I must survive with what I have" attitude. Just forget everything you have learned from different games. Your items are really crap. You dont need millions of mods, just get very high +hp into every item you have. Max your resistances according to the area you are clearing. For a summoner, all the things that give you dps in items are trivial. Dont use any points in your skill tree into curses, but be sure to use one anyway, they are essential. This is the first time I hear a summoner is having trouble with anything. Usually you dont need ANY items at all and can just breeze behind your summons through everything, and I hate this loop hole in the game.

I have to agree with Ken here, I have a level 64 HC witch, I only use Zombies and Skeles with only one passive point for extra minions and I can already tell you it has been considerably easier than other characters I have made, granted I don't have many characters and I am still relatively new but survivability really wasn't much of an issue for my witch, I know for a fact that if I went an even more summoner heavy build I would probably never die unless I was being completely stupid and reckless.

All you really need is ES and summoners to be completely fine, from what I have experienced so far.

It seems that totems and summoners are of out of control in this game. I don't think you will ever see a high level player that does not utilize either of these things. They seem to take off too much pressure from the player, so there really is often no risks, this is what I have observed from playing or watching high level streams.

I dont agree with gear being the problem. Even with good gear if Vaal crits then you die. I stand by mu original post in this thread that says you should not be letting Vaal hit you, and I outlined roughly how to achieve it.

I am not saying you need to do the fight perfectly, or that I got it right on my first time. I died a lot. But if you practice doing the fight without getting hit then you will eventually learn it.

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Never_nou wrote:

Edit: I see that I misunderstood the CI percentage, it doesn't raise your Energy Shield by 50% and take away your Life, it replaces 50% of your Life as Energy Shield and just deletes 50% of your Life.

No.

Your HP become 1. Your ES gets +50%. You are immune to chaos damage.

ES is much easier to come by than HP, and in much bigger numbers. And since, like hp, ES helpes vs everything but chaos dmg, but is increased by +int instead of +str it is pretty much a nobrainer as a witch.

And Vaal by itself is a rather easy boss, if you have any hand-eye-coordination at all and can recognize simple patterns. There are only 2 dangerous aspects to him: The random falling rocks which can oneshot some low AC builds without granites, and packs of snipers for non CI builds.

Well then, this is interesting.

Apparently I'm now right that I wasn't wrong, even though someone said I was wrong, but didn't write what I was wrong about so I had to guess and the only thing I didn't know about was CI so I guess it must have been CI because that what anubite was bleating on about and yet it turns out I was actually right about CI and that I would have got 50% of my Base Stat of Energy Shield, which would probably not have equalled 400.

Wow, this anubite really knows how to flare up a thread doesn't she.

Especially since this thread is about Information regarding the Oversoul's powers and what I could do just to beat the Oversoul in Merciless, who doesn't even use Chaos Damage (?)

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ES is much easier to come by than HP, and in much bigger numbers. And since, like hp, ES helpes vs everything but chaos dmg, but is increased by +int instead of +str it is pretty much a nobrainer as a witch.

I seriously doubt it would make up for 800 lost life at this point in the game without completely restructuring my build.

Fascinating how another supporter of anubite claims my equipment requires by necessity huge amounts of HP - which I assume means Life, but they probably meant Energy Shield, but for some strange reason couldn't write that.

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It seems that totems and summoners are of out of control in this game. I don't think you will ever see a high level player that does not utilize either of these things.

What would a high-level player utilise if these things didn't exist? Something else which made the game 'doable' then I guess...

Hmmm, lots of people using the phrase HP here, all preaching the exact same thing - interesting how language usage reveals things isn't it...

Funny also how all these 'experts' at summoners also have a deep seated hatred of summoners...