GGG pls explain the new Tempest Shield to me!
" I think the question is why NOT make tempest shield run on the aura mechanic? It reserves mana for an effect, just as auras do, with only difference that it only affects the user. You could probably make it run as an aura BUT disable the aura radius in the code and it would work as it is now (only affect the user), but under aura mechanics. This would fix the whole issue with recasting. Only "issue" is that you would have to recode TS to the aura mechanics. Last edited by Zealflare on Aug 19, 2013, 9:29:29 PM
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Auras aren't able to be used with the vast majority of support gems unlike tempest shield. Gameplay wise it was designed that way but consider it from the programmer's perspective.
Auras as an programmed effect are effectable by a small number of things. Mechanics wise, it checks for increased buff stats, mana and health pools, and radius mods. It can use checks for player proximity as well, which is a programmed function made for a vast amount of uses in the game. Tempest Shield has many more things that can effect it support-gem wise and therefore the skill itself is vastly more complicated in the program than auras are. It has to check for increased damage, not even wrath has to check for increased damage for example, that is done for the attacks themselves. It has to check for blocking effects that can occur from its own damage, such as power charge on crit support. It has to check for critical passives that effect it as well. Most of all it has to check the blocking/reflect system itself for every block to inflict the damage onto those it has blocked. There are many factors in the game that effect all of these, such as curses. This is disregarding how the program actually executes what is occuring as well, I'm just describing the surface of the water. It can be vastly more complicated maintaining all these occurences than we know. The solution instead would be to recode auras to tempest shield's mechanics and possibly righteous fire's mechanics while also fixing recast, but this is not an adequate description to fixing the recast issue itself, and this may be a counterproductive suggestion as well. |
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" The reason you can't do this is because Tempest Shield does damage. Apparently, spells (using the current coding) can't do damage if they weren't cast in the current instance. They can certainly make it so that tempest shield stays on between instances, it's just that it wouldn't be able to deal damage unless you re-cast it. Face it, all of your suggestions are worse than this idea: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/657756 Last edited by dudiobugtron on Aug 19, 2013, 9:47:51 PM
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" Uhh, you'd have to ask Mark, sorry. I don't really know how it works. My understanding, though, is that it does fundamentally different "stuff" to what auras can do. [Edit] lol, ninja'd. By people who know more about it than me, no less. Code warrior Last edited by Rhys on Aug 19, 2013, 9:52:21 PM
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" I believe this is in essence a very nice post. Thanks! And thanks Rhys for at least trying :) | |
"No. Auras do one thing: 1) Put a buff on the user (with a radius). Buffs can be transferred between areas, because they are a simple list of stats. Tempest Shield does two things: 1) Put a buff on the user (without a radius). Buffs can be transferred between areas, because they are a simple list of stats. 2) The spell continues to actively be in effect, listening for events of damage against the player, checking if they were blocked, and actively dealing damage to those things. This is not a buff, it's the skill you actively cast continuing to actively do things in the world. We cannot transfer the skill that is still executing from one area to another. Tempest Sheild cannot "use the aura mechanics" because the main part of what it does is fundamentally not an aura, it's an ongoing active skill. | |
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I'm surprised that one or the other has not been generalized.
A "Persistent spell" has a radius (Tempest Shield is zero), provides a buff, and has a triggered action (auras have no action). | |
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Removing damage from TS would be a terrible move. There's actually a lot of cool things you can do with that damage; for example, there are folks with 6L TS with huge damage and Life Leech support emulating Aegis Aurora, but without the Aegis Aurora.
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" Wait... who said to remove damage from TS? o_O | |
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" When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted. Last edited by ScrotieMcB on Aug 19, 2013, 10:29:20 PM
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