Lich Queen Build (Acrobatics/Ranger/Facebreaker/Melee)

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MonstaMunch wrote:
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solwitch wrote:
I am immune to Elemental Reflect Damage and Reflect Physical Damage with enfeeble and granite piece of cake :)


If you're immune to reflect, it means you aren't doing enough damage ;)


LOL... 15000 dps is enough damage :P

Edit: Really like your picture :) I'm a dog lover.
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Last edited by solwitch#4681 on Jul 31, 2013, 1:59:18 PM
I do not want to come in here and bash you, that is not my intent. I commend people for trying new things.

Furthermore, there is a stigma on evasion builds that has stuck around since before the recent changes that really is incorrect. Evasion tanks DO work now and to be honest, they work better than a lot of other types of tanks. The reason for this is both the buff to the evasion part of the tree and the changes to reflect damages, which acted as a HUGE buff to evasion builds.

That said, your build really isnt an evasion build at all. There just isnt enough of it. You are a hybrid build and I hate to pile it on, but you do not have enough of any 1 type of defense to be considered durable. The armor is not much, the evasion is not much and your HP are low. If you addressed any 1 of those 3 and made it super high at the expense of the other 2, I would like your chances long term a lot more.


I also want to be fair and note that I did not really look at much more beyond your build and gear.

If you want to be a true evasion tank, you NEED to use enfeeble on everything and you I HIGHLY recommend blind. Lastly, even with Acrobatics, I recommend not only a fair number of shield nodes but also something that enables spell block, because to en evasion character, this must be a very high concern.
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solwitch wrote:
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MonstaMunch wrote:
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solwitch wrote:
I am immune to Elemental Reflect Damage and Reflect Physical Damage with enfeeble and granite piece of cake :)


If you're immune to reflect, it means you aren't doing enough damage ;)


LOL... 15000 dps is enough damage :P


Dude, one doesn't need a calculator to see that you're proclamation of being "immune" to reflect is rediculous. 15k dps minus enfeeble vs less than 1k hp and a granite flask.... you one shot yourself. It's OK, I do it sometimes too. Just be honest about it. We can all do basic math.

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Edit: Really like your picture :) I'm a dog lover.

Thanks, he's called Willem :)
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Last edited by MonstaMunch#6519 on Jul 31, 2013, 2:05:22 PM
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Boem wrote:
This is my updated version of your build(assuming i have the right one to work with :D)



marauder part =

-15% cold resis
-15% light resis
-4 x 10 str

duellist part =

-8% mana
-10 inteligence
(i was considering -10% skill cost, since u are blood magic and physical leach i dont see it really shine)
+22% life
+10 str
+20 dex
+28% one handed attack damage
+3% as
+6% block (thats massive no clue why u forgo the strongest shield node in the tree)
+20% defense from shield (assuming high evasion one so also big boost)

ranger part =

-4% as
-20% chance to ignite (i let u have the 15% fire resis in marauder for a reason o.O, its a dot effect on max resis im asuming so even if its lowered by 20% the side effects are minimal)

+8% block
+20% physical damage one handed
+40 dex
+30% defense from shield

I think this would be better. However asuming u really want to forgo all HP more changes are needed. U could take the route true the endurance charge if desired if u feel the 22% bonus hp is just not worth it. and save 1 more point.

Tell me what u think sir. Its fun making a build like this (i play hardcore only so i rarely make builds designed like this :), i must note on the forums after a sentence like that, NO PUN INTENTED <.o)



Little confused, "sorry for quoting entire post." Suggesting I ditch Facebreaker and go one hander? I don't think, "One Handler Melee," affects Facebreaker. And if it did affect FB I would loose out on much needed resistances which is in my opinion very very important. :)
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MonstaMunch wrote:
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solwitch wrote:
I am immune to Elemental Reflect Damage and Reflect Physical Damage with enfeeble and granite piece of cake :)


If you're immune to reflect, it means you aren't doing enough damage ;)



I swear I do not get one shotted by Reflect Damage. Take into consideration molten shell, determination and enfeeble is incredibly powerful. Evasion is amazing against reflect damage.
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Last edited by solwitch#4681 on Jul 31, 2013, 2:08:04 PM
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solwitch wrote:
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MonstaMunch wrote:
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solwitch wrote:
I am immune to Elemental Reflect Damage and Reflect Physical Damage with enfeeble and granite piece of cake :)


If you're immune to reflect, it means you aren't doing enough damage ;)



I swear I do not get one shotted by Reflect Damage. Take into consideration molten shell, determination and enfeeble is incredibly powerful. Evasion is amazing against reflect damage.


As i noted in my post, your are absolutely correct. Evasion is the best defense vs reflect now and most people do not recognize that at all.

The problem is almost all your evasion comes from gear and you actually dont have that much in the tree. That will eventually catch up to you as you get higher. All it takes is 1 failed rolled on a reflect evasion for you to be dead.
evasion/block/dodge is strong, i'm at 50k+ dps (mainly physical) 500armor without granite/enfeeble and reflect doesn't touch me
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Consequence wrote:
I do not want to come in here and bash you, that is not my intent. I commend people for trying new things.

Furthermore, there is a stigma on evasion builds that has stuck around since before the recent changes that really is incorrect. Evasion tanks DO work now and to be honest, they work better than a lot of other types of tanks. The reason for this is both the buff to the evasion part of the tree and the changes to reflect damages, which acted as a HUGE buff to evasion builds.

That said, your build really isnt an evasion build at all. There just isnt enough of it. You are a hybrid build and I hate to pile it on, but you do not have enough of any 1 type of defense to be considered durable. The armor is not much, the evasion is not much and your HP are low. If you addressed any 1 of those 3 and made it super high at the expense of the other 2, I would like your chances long term a lot more.


I also want to be fair and note that I did not really look at much more beyond your build and gear.

If you want to be a true evasion tank, you NEED to use enfeeble on everything and you I HIGHLY recommend blind. Lastly, even with Acrobatics, I recommend not only a fair number of shield nodes but also something that enables spell block, because to en evasion character, this must be a very high concern.


Your concerns are granted, much of my gear is based on evasion I am above 40% evasion in some cases I surpass 60% evasion. Hybrid I have to disagree as of right now I am highly dependent on evasion. As for Blind saving to get a Bringer of Death which also has evasion and armor. Not including a substantial dps boost to my dps and survival.

I can promise you that many of the concerns addressed in the history of this thread have been talked about before. From evasion being excellent against reflect damage to evasion being incredibly unpredictable.

With this said the build in my opinion addressed many of the short comings of creating an evasion build since it is highly dependent on gear. With new changes to the Ranger tree and heading in towards the Marauder tree I have alleviated many problems associated with affixes in gear. Best example would be resistances.

Also because of my evasion being high I have noticed a severe reduction in deaths associated with Desync. Which currently plagues my connection since I am using Wifi. I believe currently my build is doing an exceptional job of progressing and managing to stay alive considering I am equipped with low level gear.
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Last edited by solwitch#4681 on Jul 31, 2013, 2:17:10 PM
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solwitch wrote:

I can promise you that many of the concerns addressed in the history of this thread have been talked about before.


yes they have, by others. Not by you. Just like you saying in response to my concern that you dont have enough evasion that you have upwards of 40% evasion. The assumption your part being that that is a lot of evasion. It most certainly is not. If you look at how evasion works in the mechanics thread, and in the recent patch notes you will see why. I will not bother explaining because, well I have a lot of points invested into "lazy" nodes on my passive tree.

I want you to understand that I agree with almost everything you say about evasion being FAR superior than many here in this thread are give it credit for. I jsut do not think it applies to you, at least not late game. for now, I would just recommend that you seriously consider avoiding any mobs that has +accuracy and reflect, possibly just the former.




Last edited by Consequence#7294 on Jul 31, 2013, 2:54:05 PM
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Consequence wrote:
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solwitch wrote:

I can promise you that many of the concerns addressed in the history of this thread have been talked about before.


yes they have, by others. Not by you. Just like you saying in response to my concern that you dont have enough evasion that you have upwards of 40% evasion. The assumption your part being that that is a lot of evasion. It most certainly is not. If you look at how evasion works in the mechanics thread, and in the recent patch notes you will see why. I will not bother explaining because, well I have a lot of points invested into "lazy" nodes on my passive tree.

I want you to understand that I agree with almost everything you say about evasion being FAR superior than many here in this thread are give it credit for. I jsut do not think it applies to you, at least not late game. for now, I would just recommend that you seriously consider avoiding any mobs that has +accuracy and reflect, possibly just the former.






I think because I forget to update my thread at times and left out that I use currently
may have not made sense to you, updated. Again as for reflect damage enfeeble, molten shell, granite, high evasion etc... keeps me safe :).
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