Let's talk about "The Vision

I think it might need someone that has vision. This is the feedback forum. Looking at the posted responses, I see there are not many defenders left. GGG is already rolling back parts of the game that made it worse for players because of this patch. Games that target large groups of players better be ready for gamers. Hope you know about us.

I'm going to keep saying it, over and over.
GGG will inadvertently burn this game to the ground chasing "The Vision".

It's not possible to combine an ARPG with a Souls-like!! Lets be realistic here. It's actually very doable but the game that is created WILL be hated by ARPG players AND Souls-like players.
These two styles of hack-n-slash CANNOT co-exist.
It a simple pacing issue. Souls-like players think that slow paced combat is fun and rewarding. ARPG players think.... Well The OPPOSITE.
ARPG players PLOW thru content, Souls-like players DO NOT. GGG wants the slow paced content so they don't have to continuously make new games. You have to make a new Souls-like every couple years to maintain your player base.
ARPGs do NOT suffer from this problem.

They aren't properly testing before they release to the public. To much is being changed for there to be NO testing.
"We are the testers" okey.. pay ME to test then.
Also I don't want your money. I want fun. I traded YOU money for fun. Now I'm not HAVING fun.

The VISION: The only way something like this, with this big of a following goes away is to put a GIANT spot light on it. Talk about it, what it actually means. Everyone. Get the facts out there. All these social movements nuked themselves when people found out what they REALLY are.
We would have NO problems if I had traded zero money, for some kind of unexpected fun. Once you took my money, you owed me fun.
Games should be fun.

FUN!!!! FIRST!!!! I'm NOT paying money to feel accomplished or for a reward. I'm doing it for FUN! Earned and rewarding aren't nearly as important for FUN. Earned and rewarded is what you feel when you make a good game. When you do good at your JOB!! Do you feel rewarded, like you earned this GGG?

People said exactly the same thing back when diablo 4 released. Look at where at that game is now. To the dumpster.

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

People said exactly the same thing back when diablo 4 released. Look at where at that game is now. To the dumpster.

For exactly the same reason, they did not give the player base what they wanted.

D4 is the 4th game in a long running series that was basically the defining game of the genre... and they made it simple game for idiots, literally babbies first ARPG. You get railroaded into like 3 potential playstyles per class at most.
It was a game not made for the audience of the game.


Poe2, is a game not made for the audience of the game. Poe2 is for people who played ruthless poe1, an extreme minority of the playerbase of poe1 let alone all ARPGs. Poe2 tries to combine 2 disparate genres to the detriment of the game. Poe2 also is tied to some vision where they believe that people want something that nobody is asking for. Thousands hate what they've been doing, dozens like what they've been doing. Not only that but Poe2 was sold as being concurrent with poe1, aaaand it's not. They don't have the skill/resources to develop and maintain both games as they have shown. So they're throwing away poe1 for poe2, a game made for dozens of people. When most people wanted Poe1, with updated graphics, new classes, and new mechanics. Remember when they said you could ascend your characters in poe2 using either Lab or the new thing? Pepperidge farms remembers. Now instead we have the worst league poe1 ever introduced as mandatory content.

These were both games made for audiences that were not going to support those games.

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

People said exactly the same thing back when diablo 4 released. Look at where at that game is now. To the dumpster.

Maybe PoE 2 deserves to be in the dumpster? Just because a company made a great game doesn't mean all the other things it does are gonna be great

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

People said exactly the same thing back when diablo 4 released. Look at where at that game is now. To the dumpster.

I didn't try it. I droped D3 when they released Paragon levels to increase player retention. They should have just made the game better.

I don't care about other ARPGs. I like this one, and I think it has a good heart. That heart is being corrupted by "The Vision".

The only way to make them listen is to vote with your wallets, or with your playtime. I stopped playing and will skip this league entirely for instance

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Smacky7#2202 wrote:

The only way to make them listen is to vote with your wallets, or with your playtime. I stopped playing and will skip this league entirely for instance

There is another way. It's what is actively killing "LGBTQ" and "DEI".

You shed light on what it's actually trying to accomplish. Then everyone can vote with their wallets and playtime, and it's understood why it's happening. Because EVERYONE knows. The hardest part is not knowing, and being worried you're making a bad choice. This is EASILY stopped with FACTS.

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Thesiobhan#4354 wrote:

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

People said exactly the same thing back when diablo 4 released. Look at where at that game is now. To the dumpster.

For exactly the same reason, they did not give the player base what they wanted.

D4 is the 4th game in a long running series that was basically the defining game of the genre... and they made it simple game for idiots, literally babbies first ARPG. You get railroaded into like 3 potential playstyles per class at most.
It was a game not made for the audience of the game.


Poe2, is a game not made for the audience of the game. Poe2 is for people who played ruthless poe1, an extreme minority of the playerbase of poe1 let alone all ARPGs. Poe2 tries to combine 2 disparate genres to the detriment of the game. Poe2 also is tied to some vision where they believe that people want something that nobody is asking for. Thousands hate what they've been doing, dozens like what they've been doing. Not only that but Poe2 was sold as being concurrent with poe1, aaaand it's not. They don't have the skill/resources to develop and maintain both games as they have shown. So they're throwing away poe1 for poe2, a game made for dozens of people. When most people wanted Poe1, with updated graphics, new classes, and new mechanics. Remember when they said you could ascend your characters in poe2 using either Lab or the new thing? Pepperidge farms remembers. Now instead we have the worst league poe1 ever introduced as mandatory content.

These were both games made for audiences that were not going to support those games.

Blizzard chased the PoE 1 model post release with the super fast gameplay, high density, 1 button builds, and overall braindead gameplay, but without the systems.

So, Idk what you're saying exactly here because I remember people crying saying the game was like dark souls back then like you guys are doing right now. Which is hilarious to me since none of these games are even remotely hard.

Yep. They keep trying this nonsense time after time, and it blows up in their face over and over again. Unfortunately the same stupid people keep trying to force this crap down its player bases throat.

As far as hack/slash arpg and souls like it is very possible. Nioh/Nioh 2 did it excellently. But thats because they understood HOW to do it, which is not make the game tedious but let players express skill and be op if they wanted to.

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

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Thesiobhan#4354 wrote:

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rifraf-_-#9478 wrote:

People said exactly the same thing back when diablo 4 released. Look at where at that game is now. To the dumpster.

For exactly the same reason, they did not give the player base what they wanted.

D4 is the 4th game in a long running series that was basically the defining game of the genre... and they made it simple game for idiots, literally babbies first ARPG. You get railroaded into like 3 potential playstyles per class at most.
It was a game not made for the audience of the game.


Poe2, is a game not made for the audience of the game. Poe2 is for people who played ruthless poe1, an extreme minority of the playerbase of poe1 let alone all ARPGs. Poe2 tries to combine 2 disparate genres to the detriment of the game. Poe2 also is tied to some vision where they believe that people want something that nobody is asking for. Thousands hate what they've been doing, dozens like what they've been doing. Not only that but Poe2 was sold as being concurrent with poe1, aaaand it's not. They don't have the skill/resources to develop and maintain both games as they have shown. So they're throwing away poe1 for poe2, a game made for dozens of people. When most people wanted Poe1, with updated graphics, new classes, and new mechanics. Remember when they said you could ascend your characters in poe2 using either Lab or the new thing? Pepperidge farms remembers. Now instead we have the worst league poe1 ever introduced as mandatory content.

These were both games made for audiences that were not going to support those games.

Blizzard chased the PoE 1 model post release with the super fast gameplay, high density, 1 button builds, and overall braindead gameplay, but without the systems.

So, Idk what you're saying exactly here because I remember people crying saying the game was like dark souls back then like you guys are doing right now. Which is hilarious to me since none of these games are even remotely hard.

It's ALWAYS been brain dead gameplay. Games aren't hard. They are either designed good or bad. Now it's just extremely slow braindead un-challenging gameplay. People that think a fast paced game is "Braindead Gameplay" do not and WILL never be able to think or act at that pace. They don't understand it. If you are playing VIDEO games to feel rewarded and accomplished, your money would be better spent on a therapist.