Ultimatum and summoners

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baney123 wrote:
This thread looks like a mistake to post in, but I don’t make good decisions

My minions (and myself) take more damage from white map ultimatums than they do from red maps and boss fights.
This can, and will be solved by getting better gear. For now, I need to skip ultimatums so my xp bar can reach the end because the only things that are killing me this league are ultimatums and invisible projectiles from texture streaming issues.

My profile is public, if anyone has suggestions. My goal to keep minions alive is to harvest roll some cluster jewels while I try to farm enough currency to swap to chaos inoculation. This is my first time using spectres although I’ve run other minions before.

I’m sure once the build is done it’ll be easy to farm ultimatums in t16
I’m just not sure why t16 maps are safer than t1 ultimatums at this point.


Not sure what spectres you are using but swapping to the bone offering is a solid survivability boost. Preferably using the trigger in wand enchant to keep it up 100%. It's also a significant defence boost for you, If you take the block node and 'offerings affect you' ascendancy.

You are also missing the Indomitable cluster for your minions, which is huge (usually just take the top 3 nodes).
23% phys reduction + 35% life + some res and bleed dmg reduction

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Looking at your gear quickly, are you actually res capped for mapping?
Last edited by Chalace2#1463 on Apr 28, 2021, 2:24:13 PM
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baney123 wrote:
This thread looks like a mistake to post in, but I don’t make good decisions

My minions (and myself) take more damage from white map ultimatums than they do from red maps and boss fights.
This can, and will be solved by getting better gear. For now, I need to skip ultimatums so my xp bar can reach the end because the only things that are killing me this league are ultimatums and invisible projectiles from texture streaming issues.

My profile is public, if anyone has suggestions. My goal to keep minions alive is to harvest roll some cluster jewels while I try to farm enough currency to swap to chaos inoculation. This is my first time using spectres although I’ve run other minions before.

I’m sure once the build is done it’ll be easy to farm ultimatums in t16
I’m just not sure why t16 maps are safer than t1 ultimatums at this point.


are you following a build guide? kay has a good one for spectres. it goes through all the gear you need etc.
for this this league the main thing is to take all the minion life/resist nodes on the tree. i didnt do that and went for the damage nodes instead like i always do but minions got a big nerf recently so now those nodes are mandatory

having said that ultimatums are very overtuned so even with all the defense nodes your minions will probably still die in high red maps until GGG puts out a patch and tones down ultimatums a bit
Last edited by Lyutsifer665#1671 on Apr 28, 2021, 4:29:25 PM
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baney123 wrote:
This thread looks like a mistake to post in, but I don’t make good decisions

My minions (and myself) take more damage from white map ultimatums than they do from red maps and boss fights.
This can, and will be solved by getting better gear. For now, I need to skip ultimatums so my xp bar can reach the end because the only things that are killing me this league are ultimatums and invisible projectiles from texture streaming issues.

My profile is public, if anyone has suggestions. My goal to keep minions alive is to harvest roll some cluster jewels while I try to farm enough currency to swap to chaos inoculation. This is my first time using spectres although I’ve run other minions before.

I’m sure once the build is done it’ll be easy to farm ultimatums in t16
I’m just not sure why t16 maps are safer than t1 ultimatums at this point.
Chaos Inoculation is not that great for necromancers. Better stick with Life, because it has synergy with Mistress of Sacrifice / Bone Offering (Block / Life on Block / Glancing Blows).

For ultimatums, try to get some form of stun immunity, hinder immunity, and maybe chill/freeze immunity. Ultimatum mobs damage is not great, but you take many hits at once, so the risk to get stun locked is quite high.

For minions survivability, Dread March passive on cluster jewels is very good, as most ultimatum mobs deal physical damage.

Regarding your build, I tried Skin of the Loyal/Aegis Aurora/Memory Vault with spectres few leagues ago, tankiness was good, but minion damage not really. Map clear was ok, but took forever to kill map bosses. Was able to semi-afk Sirus though, but took like 10 minutes to kill him. Since then, spectres got nerfed 3-4 times. Kay's guide is much better.
Last edited by 6_din_49#4066 on Apr 28, 2021, 5:20:04 PM
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Can you show us some videos? They are easy mode with a single "Renewal" passive and Victario's Charity shield?
Last edited by 6_din_49#4066 on Apr 28, 2021, 5:29:28 PM
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6_din_49 wrote:
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Can you show us some videos? They are easy mode with a single "Renewal" passive and Victario's Charity shield?


Dual cluster isn't really good unless you're going high budget CI version. Even last league with harvest I never needed to switch to dual cluster setup. My current large cluster needs to be replaced of course.

Victario's is the single best offensive/defensive option before you craft a 75ex harvest shield.

I honestly have no idea how to record a gameplay video and post it.

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Exxxiled665 wrote:
i made that when just starting maps for the first time

also show us a video. the other guy who claims to be immortal already refused. (we know why)


Well that makes sense. Ultimatums should be challenging at first, eventually it all gets destroyed. I'll try and make a video if you make your character public. :P

Also I never claimed to be immortal but I still smash T16 ultimatums. Building for (mostly) survivability in softcore is the wrong approach imo but to each their own.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/988f3369-4b68-4eb9-bc0e-edfce4c3c950
Last edited by Moridin79#6328 on Apr 28, 2021, 5:53:58 PM
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Exxxiled665 wrote:


its better than what you have now. you dont need 4 green since you're using hatred and you should have minions blind on hit from an abyss jewel in your belt or tree so blind gem is useless in gloves.

stop acting like you know what you're doing.


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Buy me a new PC that gives more than 10fps during Ultimatums, I'll give you all the videos you want.
Last edited by Al_GGG#0000 on Apr 28, 2021, 8:31:40 PM
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Chalace2 wrote:
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Exxxiled665 wrote:


its better than what you have now. you dont need 4 green since you're using hatred and you should have minions blind on hit from an abyss jewel in your belt or tree so blind gem is useless in gloves.

stop acting like you know what you're doing.


Please stop, lol. Do you even know why the Triads are used?

Don't give anyone 'advice', seen as you obviously know little more than 'out of context 3rd hand information and can't even do white maps. Still parroting "minions are bad, the game is overturned".

Buy me a new PC that gives more than 10fps during Ultimatums, I'll give you all the videos you want.


to convert phys damage to elemental since they are better scaled. the gem set up is from a popular build guide so dont act like you would know better than the guide. you didnt even know that movement speed boots were a thing. lol

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Last edited by Al_GGG#0000 on Apr 28, 2021, 8:30:29 PM
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