Raider - What's the point now?

Hi all,

Since gladiator now has more emphasis on charge generation, what's the point of raider?

To me, raider was always supposed to be the melee class if you prefer dodging and fast attacks to blocking and dealing damage with single blows. But from what I can tell, every other ascendancy can do anything that raider can, just better.

Also, what does raider really have going for it? It's fast. That's it. It's a fast class that can do anything faster but still worse than other ascendancies. It's just boring tbh.

So what can be raider's thing?

I personally like the idea of a "fencer" class which uses melee weapons (preferably swords) with nothing in the off hand. I thought maybe that was a possibility someday as there was a node called fencing, but it's gone now.

Thoughts?

It runs fast, and that's it. Raider should not be a 'melee' class.

While certainly outclasses in the current meta it's still extremely competitive in terms of clear speed but lacks uniqueness or survivability.

Who told you that raider is melee? Nothing in her kit is melee specific, just attack.

raider will get reworked in 3.8 and i can't wait. i agree that raider is completely overshadowed now. hell she almost always was. raider was more of a hipster pick than anything

i still think raider should be faster than anyone else. faster running, faster attacking, and emphasis on dodge/evasion much like how she is now, but obviously everyone is getting attack speed/movement speed but in much more quantities.

she was what i played almost exclusively until i just had to face the facts that other things were way better and i've moved on now.

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Raider should not be a 'melee' class.

Please explain the concept art.

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lacks uniqueness or survivability

Exactly. Either it becomes a proper melee class, or it should be dedicated ranged. Right now it's in a limbo and it's not working for it.

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she was what i played almost exclusively until i just had to face the facts that other things were way better and i've moved on now

I was really hopeful I wouldn't have to switch to gladiator for a fun and fast one-handed build, but the new update, awesome though it is, gave gladiator the things that made raider unique. The only skill I can see raider good for now is frost blades. Used to be fb and flicker, but I think now flicker I'd go for gladiator as well.

Dunno. Flavour? Fun?
Looks to me like you can do a really fast elemental attack build with ranger and use evasion gear.

She's near those projectile damage nodes and elemental (especially cold) damage with attack nodees, pierce wheel if you're going for Frostblades.

I don't see anything wrong with the Raider, but it might still be that other classes are overall better.
I personally only played a Raider once: cold cyclone. Had a lot of fun with it, although I didn't get to red maps. But I value fun higher than red maps. I hope (know) there are more people like me.
But a meta slave is probably better off playing other classes.

Raider should be known for defense and speed.

Deadeye is just squishy offense. Spellcaster option.

Pathfinder is all-rounder.

They all should be just as effective at ranged vs. melee imo.

Looking forward to the re-work.

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vlkvojak wrote:

Please explain the concept art.

Its just that. An Art. Trickster has Claw and Dagger on his. Again, nothing in her kit says "melee". She is still the fastest and still has bonuses to fenzy charges and onslaught.

Raider was shit since Deadeye buff. WHich was like a year ago.

Given the choice between having raider stay as is, vs it being overbuffed FOTM meta meme lord status in 3.8 only to get nerfed into a state somehow worse than it is now, I would choose the former.

Look what happened to elementalist and occultist.

How have we come to a point where each league is defined by nearly half of all players over level 90 playing the same skill, and that skill is just replaced with a different one next league.