The real reason why they aren't making an auction house

Diablo 3 failed because it was a bad game, they took the AH away and it still sucked. It's because of how builds and gear worked in that game. Was to limited on gear/build diversity. This game has loads of things you can do with various different builds.

As long as this game has currency sinks, an automated AH wouldn't really change anything. Most items are dirt cheap within a few weeks into league anyway. If they introduce more currency sinks that people use, and add in more chase uniques that are rare.. things will be fine. The only thing we lose is "player interaction" which is basically nothing.

And bots/scammers/price fixers... they are going to do what they do regardless. It's a free game that doesn't require a large time sink of commitment. Getting banned has very little meaning when you can just re up with a new account and get back to farming in no time.

D3 failed due to gearing system (bad, pretty damn bad) and build non-diversity (before you rejoice - POE has a very similar problem right now at the meta level)

AH wasnt the bit that made D3 a bad game and it itself has been implemented rather 'ok' - light but not too smart and auto-mateable.

POE needs some bits to make trading non-revolting. it can be difficult and manual, i do not care. but trading at this moment is not only that - it is simply revolting experience of 'offer' 'lol, ignored', 'this player is AFK', 'DND message', 'not online', 'char does not exist' etc..

try to buy essences, try to buy 1alch item, try to do anything except most sought-after items and you are in for a puke


build homogenization is much more a reason D3 AH failed than anything else. and POE with its 'lol balance' approach is pretty damn near to the same state

We do need an auction house. Bots still exist no matter there is AH or not. GGG just needs to stop any high-frequency trading that human can't. It's not that hard to spot machine trading as human can't trade every 5 seconds 24/7. Simply putting a time limit like 15 seconds between trade can help. Also, some players will be still checking price all day with or without AH. AH does no harm to the game as long as GGG does it right. There are games that have AH and still success.

No, no thats not it. Poe.trade is a third party site which takes care of almost all trading. GGG don't have to put any money into it, only approve it. And it works, more and more people play the game without GGG dedicating any resources into improving trading.

If they do implement AH ran by them in-game they need to spend money, no way around it. Now tell me whats the point of doing that if so many people are already content with poe.trade? Seems like money thrown into the trash bin then set on fire.

Furthermore GGG have vested interest in vilifying the AH to brainwash the masses and make them despise it. How many people will immediately shoot down the idea because it was apparently so bad in Diablo 3 without doing any research?

So short answer: as long as poe.trade works and new players coming there is NO way an AH will ever be implemented.

It is always awesome when people just ignore the stated reasons that GGG have not implemented a click to buy/AH/Whatever, and instead rant about their tin foil theories... I promise, it isn't nearly as devious or sinister as some of you want it to be. Bald Uncle Chris has said over and over what the issue is with a system like that. Not to mention the fact that this topic has been beaten to death... for literal years now.

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Docbp87 wrote:

It is always awesome when people just ignore the stated reasons that GGG have not implemented a click to buy/AH/Whatever, and instead rant about their tin foil theories... I promise, it isn't nearly as devious or sinister as some of you want it to be. Bald Uncle Chris has said over and over what the issue is with a system like that. Not to mention the fact htat this topic has been beaten to death... for literal years now.

thing is, people made suggestions which ggg as well as those elite streamers interviewing them ignored. for example implement an offline trading system where seller and buyer would have to do a task before the offline trade can happen. like reaching a trading house in a map or something.

if someone is really desperate to get a certain item this should be no problem.

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Docbp87 wrote:

It is always awesome when people just ignore the stated reasons that GGG have not implemented a click to buy/AH/Whatever, and instead rant about their tin foil theories... I promise, it isn't nearly as devious or sinister as some of you want it to be. Bald Uncle Chris has said over and over what the issue is with a system like that. Not to mention the fact that this topic has been beaten to death... for literal years now.

You do realize that anything that chris says about trading is also a theory since it hasn't been done yet in this game. Here is something to note though, poe.trade has made the game better and it made the game easier to trade. That is something chris has constantly said they didn't want to do. Yet they also are okay with it... since they allowed premium tabs to list items, which they knew basically is linked to poe.trade. Which is, just a cheaper version of an AH.

Are they going to do an auction house? Probably not, but it doesn't mean we can't have discussions on it. It will keep coming up because every league, people have to experience these issues about trading. There are times when trade works fine, but then there are times where its absolute garbage. That is why these threads will keep coming up until something is done about it.

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e1337donkey wrote:

You do realize that anything that chris says about trading is also a theory since it hasn't been done yet in this game. Here is something to note though, poe.trade has made the game better and it made the game easier to trade. That is something chris has constantly said they didn't want to do. Yet they also are okay with it... since they allowed premium tabs to list items, which they knew basically is linked to poe.trade. Which is, just a cheaper version of an AH.

Are they going to do an auction house? Probably not, but it doesn't mean we can't have discussions on it. It will keep coming up because every league, people have to experience these issues about trading. There are times when trade works fine, but then there are times where its absolute garbage. That is why these threads will keep coming up until something is done about it.

There is a pretty massive difference between automated buyouts/instant-click-and-get-it AH, and the process that trading currently requires, which is why GGG is okay with it. If PoE.trade and a click-buy-AH were "basically the same thing" then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

The real reason ?

As an unique-designer, all i do is appreciate the effort to find my item, not to buy it.
Needless to mention that you cant have both, AH and mine don´t work together.

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Docbp87 wrote:

There is a pretty massive difference between automated buyouts/instant-click-and-get-it AH, and the process that trading currently requires, which is why GGG is okay with it. If PoE.trade and a click-buy-AH were "basically the same thing" then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Pretty much the search functions are very similar to many AH systems. Listing items with prices are very similar. The only difference is instant buy out vs going into a hideout.

What is the difference between instantly getting the item and whispering for an item, getting invited, entering a load screen, trade window/accepting the trade, entering another load screen back to your hideout... the answer is several minutes.

There is not an massive difference. People complain the nonsense that is looking for bulk of items, low end items worth less then a chaos, crafting items including essences, and other examples. Where you run in situations where you can spend 10+ minutes whispering players whom are afk, dnd, don't exist, not online, etc. This doesn't happen all the time of course but it happens and its frustrating when it does. After a few weeks into a league, these issues start creeping up more and more often.