LOL cops in venezuela robbing ppls This is socialisms end game cant even pay enforcers..

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morbo wrote:
But then you expect little guys like me to pay my share regularly and help the government feeding "poor starving 3rd worlders" whose populations are actually exploding?

Could you give me an example of the wrong government program ? Just gimme the keyword, dates, locations w/e to research like I did to show what could be done.

If you meant such like ODA in general, you got some legit concerns. But still, someone would pay and the same or even worse things would happen.

Edit: I think I'm done for now. morbo, you really have to update your '70s world view. Not that you are completely messed up (you are doing pretty good actually) but you will be most likely misunderstood and completely lose political representation in the world.

Edit2: https://www.ted.com/talks/tim_ferriss_why_you_should_define_your_fears_instead_of_your_goals
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Communists and socialists erroneously blame capitalism for the consequences of monopolism. Capitalism just refers to the liberty of individuals to profit from selling whatever they may produce with their own physical property- i.e. land, tools, materials, and whatever knowledge they possess.

There can be no intellectual property or exclusive rights over the production of goods, the use of technology, or the copying of artistic content in a free market because intellectual property rights are incompatible with physical property rights. When the law favors physical property rights, it supports the free market by maximizing direct competition and opportunity for individuals and small businesses. When the law favors intellectual property rights, it supports the captive market by minimizing direct competition and maximizing opportunity for too-big-to-fail corporations.

The laws that protect monopolies from competition do so by prohibiting the poor and middle class from employing themselves. It forces most people to work which saturates job markets and depresses wages. That then necessitates unions, minimum wages, job regulations, and welfare for the poor who can neither employ themselves or keep a job. Legislators support monopolism because it preserves their wealth and simplifies the collection (extortion) of income taxes from working people (slaves).

So anyone who has a good-paying job has no room to complain about poor people on welfare. The only reason anyone has a good paying job is because their employer is protected. The taxes that pay for welfare is the minimum cost of protecting your job and your ass by preventing a full scale revolt.
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finisterre wrote:
Could you give me an example of the wrong government program ? Just gimme the keyword, dates, locations w/e to research like I did to show what could be done.

Eg. of specific failures:

Solyndra misled government to get $535M solar project loan

A Blurry Vision: Reconsidering the Failure of the One Laptop Per Child Initiative

In general, the whole welfare system is a governmental failure, a ponzi scheme which will be the cause of the fiscal collapse in the West. A society that can't even sustain it's own welfare spending, without importing masses of foreign workers, is doomed to collapse. Leftist politicians are selling you dreams of fixing the world, poverty, global warming, etc.. while can't even sustain a stable economic system at home. lmao..

E:
The very links you've posted a few pages back, show how inefficient the government is at even the very basic stuff, like distributing food (that it even had to come to a stage where people can't feed themselves, it's another proof of failed big government socialism). So, I'm not really sure what position do you argue?

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finisterre wrote:
you really have to update your '70s world view. Not that you are completely messed up (you are doing pretty good actually) but you will be most likely misunderstood and completely lose political representation in the world.

What 70' view? What are you talking about?
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morbo wrote:
Which part to discuss which issue ? FILP, solar panel market/technology in US(or world?) or ?
I didn't find any (bad) about affiliated companies so I assume it's not that bad for the affiliated industry. It's growing field so you should measure the effect in various directions/term. Though US must reconsider their policy for renewable energy imo (which Obama couldn't make due to the confliction in the country.)

In my country. same happened but as a whole, it turned to be beneficial. Now we are worrying about chinese panel companies interest rate. (If they fail, we all fail. We might have to invest for more alternative production lines in other regions.)

Edit: You can't blame Obama for the stagnation of manufacturing industries. It's been there for decades.
You didn't want to change, not Obama.

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It's not about the failure of the internet or education but the business project.
As I read in the essay you linked, I didn't find the earnings call so I cannot comment for their business plan. Only I could assume is that their goal was too high (they couldn't fill the whole process.)
For investing in the developing country, please read the link I posted before (http://gojo.co/reports/)

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E:
The very links you've posted a few pages back, show how inefficient the government is at even the very basic stuff, like distributing food (that it even had to come to a stage where people can't feed themselves, it's another proof of failed big government socialism). So, I'm not really sure what position do you argue?

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finisterre wrote:
you really have to update your '70s world view. Not that you are completely messed up (you are doing pretty good actually) but you will be most likely misunderstood and completely lose political representation in the world.

What 70' view? What are you talking about?

Especially for economy. You don't even read if it's about prices or physical flows. They had enough food /foreign currency. I'm not saying "stfu if you are not expert". Ofc it should be clear to make sense and you ARE clear. What was clear in Venezuela was their goal, which is not wrong at all. They(Chaves & co) failed at converting from short term view (of the economy and society) to long term views. Mono-culture/industry and the half-finished process of transfer of the political power affected in bad ways (they were/are relying on the exporting/importing, which had influenced largely.) They didn't have strong support base so that people ended up in even heavier reliance on the old company and military clique and then in the confliction.

I think you could try accounting reports (traditional method but still steady. Your local government's papers are good to start. It's usually written in more plain expression than company/country if they are not trying to cheat. Not necessarily read the whole pages but correlations among entries or per policy/program.) or info graphics (You read it as the amount/flow, not the numbers. Be care, there are TONS of cheat on numbers, units and omissions.) to get some clue on the change of profit structures especially for between pre-2000 (1950-2000) and post-2000. Economy is not really the solid numbers but fluidity.

Economic growth rate and GDP is also fake. It only explains "what they want to say", not "how it is".


If we keep doing exclusive power struggles or faultfinding, I won't commit more. I don't want to mistake the means for the end.
Edit: If you need my opinion for anything, I will be gladly joining to you.
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Last edited by finisterre on Jun 24, 2017, 12:05:33 PM
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finisterre wrote:
I didn't find any (bad) about affiliated companies so I assume it's not that bad for the affiliated industry. It's growing field so you should measure the effect in various directions/term.

Well, of course it wasn't bad for the affiliated companies - they got free money from the tax payers. Tax payers got nothing tangible in return. The government can afford to throw your money away, because they never worked for it and there is still more where it came from. Similarly with bailing out failed companies & banks, or before that the government giving coverage for mortgages to people who couldn't afford houses (which lead to the 2008 housing bubble & economic crash - The Government Did It)

The government is horrible at almost everything. The local / global examples of wasted resources by governments are almost infinite. The fact that Venezuela even needed (needs?) a food distribution program, is proof of the failure of governmental (central) planing and control.

If you want people to create wealth for themselves and sell the excess wealth to others, then you just need to give them the freedom to economically interact and allow private property. People will solve food shortages themselves, a lot more efficiently than a centralized monopoly. Monopolies are always bad for the end consumer and the government is the biggest monopoly of them all - and its super corrupt, since it also holds all the guns & legal power.

Of course the corruption goes in the other way too - corporations buying favours from politicians. The bigger the government, the more power it has, the more things can various corporations influence through bribes and lobbying. The government is wasting taxpayer money not only with failed projects, but also by failing to get enough taxes out of big corporations, eg. Apple.

Basically, as a general rule, the government should stay out of business and business should stay out of politics. The more these two intermingle, the more potential it has to ruin the lives of us average people.
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Steve Jobs kept working because Habits make character (good or bad) same reason all the billionaires keep at it instead of taking a billion buying an island and fucking a harem full of girls with all the blow they want and why prisoners go back to prison so often . Hence importing deadbeats bad idea. Stuck in bad habits and will be liabilities forever. Thats why when my grandpa immigrated to USA you had to have money in the bank or some useful profession he was a civil engineer from Afghanistan. Now it's exact opposite the west importing worst of the worse. Thats why terror occurs and west going bankrupt they are turning their countries into trash by accepting trash.



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Last edited by Aim_Deep on Jun 24, 2017, 1:10:01 PM
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morbo wrote:
The government is horrible at almost everything. The local / global examples of wasted resources by governments are almost infinite. The fact that Venezuela even needed (needs?) a food distribution program, is proof of the failure of governmental (central) planing and control.

I don't have much to add. COULD YOU STOP YOUR DAMN FAILING GOVERNMENT TO APPLY ECONOMIC SANCTIONS HERE AND THERE ? Sorry for caps. It's for the government (Mostly) not for you <.<
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