Everyone seems to be forgetting something very important

Life builds can easilly stack any combination of 78% block and spell block, 70%+ physical damage reduction, 70%+ chance to evade, increased life leech caps, life regeneration (loads of regen nodes for and with life that ES users arent going to take just for ZO E.G. Golems Blood) all on top of that easy to reach 6k+ life.

Also potion metagame. Herbalism and Profane Chemistry are awesome you know, 10k+ life regen from pots, and also a unique pot that recovers 75% of your max life.

Also strength increases phys damage, and projectile damage with iron grip, spell damage with iron will. INT also increases .... Mana.

But never mind, lets just ignore facts and ignore ES builds that cant take any of those defenses because they dont tend to exist in the intelligence skill tree area.

Shadows sure get access a lot of life and armour nodes.
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Yeah, and this is why life builds can block-tank Shaper and instantly leech with block to... wait, no, they can't. And this is what they are trying to address.

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Yeah, and this is why life builds can block-tank Shaper and instantly leech with block to... wait, no, they can't. And this is what they are trying to address.



Then buff life builds.
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So that they can trivialize content as well?
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bhavv wrote:
lets just ignore facts and ignore ES builds that cant take any of those defenses


They don't NEED any other defenses, because the pool + instant leech can let you facetank everything. Do you think facetanking everything is good game design?

No matter how high block (or dodge) chance you have, how much evasion/armor you have, you WILL take 'that' huge hit from time to time, and if that hit is elemental, you have NO way of mitigating it, unless you use certain half-bad uniques. It will one-shot you. That makes a huge pool the only defense against that hit, making a huge pool the top of the ladder. A 25K ES build has the EXACT same elemental damage reduction as a 6K life build. Fair in your eyes?

Their nerfs seem severe, I can agree with that. But something had to be done, because facetanking everything - even telegraphed attacks/spells - designed for hard-dodging, is just wrong.
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bhavv wrote:
lets just ignore facts and ignore ES builds that cant take any of those defenses


They don't NEED any other defenses, because the pool + instant leech can let you facetank everything. Do you think facetanking everything is good game design?


So all thats needed then is to nerf Vaal Pact. Job done.

Whats the point with nerfing every ES item in the game?

Mind that I dont give a fuck if they stop VP working with ES, I dont use it anyway as I dont have any life leech on my spells., and dont want to waste a gem slot for it.
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bhavv wrote:
Life builds can easilly stack any combination of 78% block and spell block, 70%+ physical damage reduction, 70%+ chance to evade, increased life leech caps, life regeneration (loads of regen nodes for and with life that ES users arent going to take just for ZO E.G. Golems Blood) all on top of that easy to reach 6k+ life.

Also potion metagame. Herbalism and Profane Chemistry are awesome you know, 10k+ life regen from pots, and also a unique pot that recovers 75% of your max life.

Also strength increases phys damage, and projectile damage with iron grip, spell damage with iron will. INT also increases .... Mana.

But never mind, lets just ignore facts and ignore ES builds that cant take any of those defenses because they dont tend to exist in the intelligence skill tree area.

Shadows sure get access a lot of life and armour nodes.


ES builds can stack 78% block/spells block just as easily with Necromancer.
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bhavv wrote:

So all thats needed then is to nerf Vaal Pact. Job done.



Because there are many life build using it too? Without a pool large enough to facetank everything.
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bhavv wrote:

So all thats needed then is to nerf Vaal Pact. Job done.



Because there are many life build using it too? Without a pool large enough to facetank everything.


Obviously I meant Nerf it for ES, you cant be that slow.
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bhavv wrote:
Life builds can easilly stack any combination of 78% block and spell block, 70%+ physical damage reduction, 70%+ chance to evade, increased life leech caps, life regeneration (loads of regen nodes for and with life that ES users arent going to take just for ZO E.G. Golems Blood) all on top of that easy to reach 6k+ life.

Also potion metagame. Herbalism and Profane Chemistry are awesome you know, 10k+ life regen from pots, and also a unique pot that recovers 75% of your max life.

Also strength increases phys damage, and projectile damage with iron grip, spell damage with iron will. INT also increases .... Mana.

Hmm, yeah, you're right. You pretty much outlined all the reasons life builds are vastly more popular currently.

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