3.0 setting up for disappointment?

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鬼殺し wrote:

I can guarantee right now, 100%, anyone interested in the story of Wraeclast so far will be all over FoO like black on rice.

Anything else and I'd say all bets are off. Which is fine. Fall of Oriath is promising two major things: a one-act conclusion to the Oriath arc and an entire new 5-act arc triggered by the Fall of Oriath arc that mixes existing and new assets quite cleverly; and a new system of buffs obtained by killing bosses called 'the Pantheon'. We also know there are large QoL changes like a new minimap, the *start* of labyrinth reworks, and a micro-transaction system overhaul.

Is that enough to earn the 'expansion' designation? Of course. Jeeze. More than.

GGG are more apt to add the things D_C is asking for between major updates, to be fair. Skill gems especially.

And I'm not sure how you can say there's no real end-game when Maps gained an entire expansion giving them context, new buffs and a (shitty) story to boot. But I'm sure there are those who think that killing the Shaper is easy-peasy and everyone does, despite the lingering evidence that a *lot* of players currently don't even make it to a Map. But, yknow. Some people just assume everyone does the same thing as them, wants the same things as them. I'm sure there's some fancy name for this mental calibration. I'll stick to something lay like 'self-centred'.

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鬼殺し wrote:

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TheExile777 wrote:

Just make sure you get your unleashed right ;-)

True story: just before we locked the details in for testing, my final revision was deemed too weak and punitive. Since it's now a scaling low level sword and *extremely* hard to get (it's a drop, not a crafted item), it seems the devs feel there's a lot of room for power and a less harsh degen. NOT GONNA COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT.

I don't think it'll be in 3.0 though. There's a LOT of new voicework (I'm looking at 7-10 lines per new act). Still, while they have Kira's voice actress in the studio, I guess they could tap her for the lines.

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AbdulAlhazred wrote:

- I promise you this will not be the case. Outside of the new keystone, we will have new damage over time nodes. I also expect GGG will overhaul the burning clusters (notice we have approximately 120% increased shock duration, about 100% freeze/chill duration, and only 30% ignite duration on tree? Yeah. I expect they will change that. It's fucking hilarious that it's been like this for so long, but double-dip ignite prolif was out of control).
- Damage over time is actually being buffed. I don't think anyone understands that. The only mechanic that's being nerfed is double-dipping. In fact, if you were relying on burning damage before (and didn't abuse the hilariously obscene double-dipping capabilities), you will be stronger than ever. Increased Burning Damage is a more modifier now. DoT base damage is getting improved across the board. Maybe people will actually play fire trap builds for the burning ground now (if you don't think the ES/CI/VP/GR combo was broken you have larger problems I cannot address with logic).

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鬼殺し wrote:

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Puraime wrote:

I am ok with story, just I think nazi stuff is bit cheesy.

The Nazi-like symbolism of the static monster art GGG teased is a lot more noticeable than what it'll be like in-game. I think the Nazi stuff reaches a peak in mid act 3 with Lunaris level 2 honestly, and we seemed to have survived that. The blatantly fascist symbol of Oriath we saw on the armbands for act 5 monsters will be nowhere near as prolific as other symbols that have been teased in screenshots and videos so far, especially the golden descry all over the stained glass windows -- which in function is much closer to the Christian Cross than anything else. This makes sense, given Oriath worships a single god and calls it 'God'.

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Aetherium wrote:

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AbdulAlhazred wrote:

- I promise you this will not be the case. Outside of the new keystone, we will have new damage over time nodes. I also expect GGG will overhaul the burning clusters (notice we have approximately 120% increased shock duration, about 100% freeze/chill duration, and only 30% ignite duration on tree? Yeah. I expect they will change that. It's fucking hilarious that it's been like this for so long, but double-dip ignite prolif was out of control).
- Damage over time is actually being buffed. I don't think anyone understands that. The only mechanic that's being nerfed is double-dipping. In fact, if you were relying on burning damage before (and didn't abuse the hilariously obscene double-dipping capabilities), you will be stronger than ever. Increased Burning Damage is a more modifier now. DoT base damage is getting improved across the board. Maybe people will actually play fire trap builds for the burning ground now (if you don't think the ES/CI/VP/GR combo was broken you have larger problems I cannot address with logic).

You say its getting buffed, but the truth is that all the proper builds that were shaper viable and used dots used doubledipping aoe/increased damage nodes all increased the damage twice, most builds use at least 7-8 jewels(assuming they are about 96 or so lvl), so thats like 160% double dip damage, even will all the buffs we can say that it will be clearly nerfed on the top end and very large on low end builds. As in people that arent good at min maxing with 3.0 will be playing on a more level field. And considering how dots arent based on initial hits, all the big hit spells will be nerfed to the ground by these changes.
Not saying they are bad, rather the meta will shift to different builds, and im pretty sure the king of meta wont be poison builds.

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Dark_Chicken wrote:

If 3.0 is mainly about a bunch of 'new' acts (not exactly new, they re-use half of the content and call it Act 6-10), then players will get disappointed and bored pretty fast.

Sure there will be a lot of cosmetic and maybe some QoL improvements, but still this stuff should have been done long ago in beta. Like, it's 2017 and this game really shouldn't be in beta mode anymore for some of the stuff GGG is still working on...

So the big and mostly negative and probable takeaways so far are:

- There will be < 10 new gems

- Lab tweaked a bit, but no new and major additions or changes to Ascendancy.

- No real end game still

- No big trade revamp

- No new weapon or armor classes

- No major additions to tree (1 new keystone maybe?)

- No more skill points

- More bigly nerfs and horrid balance changes, as usual in every patch (nerf to DoT, nerf ES, nerf VP, nerf nerf nerf anything powerful and melee as usual, except for all things range)

So.. there's not much to look forward to once the no lifer finishes all the acts < 4 hours, unlike every other expansion in the past where there was so much more new stuff to try out after whipping thru new acts...