the design of relics are terrible IMO

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Pyrollusion wrote:

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ZerotuL wrote:

RNG killing games and Poe is sewed with threads of pure randomness and luck. We need an island of stability in this wild sea of unexpected events.

Thank you for saying this. So many goddamn people are telling us "its rng its rng deal with it" and nobody seems to realize that too much rng isnt good and certainly not fun. If I want to play lottery...well I play the goddamn lottery. This game should be knowledge- and skillbased.

Speak for yourself. I prefer what we have now rather than having the developers divide the drop rate by 100 or 1000 or whatever and then make all the drops good.

Skill- and knowledge- based? This ain't Dark Souls, mate. This is ARPG, where RNG is the drug! It has been scientifically proven - ARPG's keep me out of the casino!

At the end of the day the RNG of the key wouldn't hurt as bad if they weren't ~50-60c to purchase. If you take a look here https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/60f69s/the_bug_ggg_didnt_want_you_to_know_existed/
you can see exactly WHY they have inflated to the value they have. Players that abused this glitch are clearly running the market for the keys. Don't be mad at the RNG.

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DurianMcgregor wrote:

Speak for yourself. I prefer what we have now rather than having the developers divide the drop rate by 100 or 1000 or whatever and then make all the drops good.

I think durian is right tbh.

Were talking about legacy aegis, legacy kaoms, eternal orbs, some properly broken shit in the 'good drop' pile that was taken out of the game for a reason. The fact they even let these things drop again at all is a massive deal. Theres a certain amount of they feel is correct to let into circulation, and thats how many were getting. So you either take all the Rel keys that currently dont drop one of these things and remove them from the game, or keep them so we find a lot more of them and get these other things which may not be of financial value atm but potentially have some sort of collector/sentimental type value. When something has a higher drop rate it gets more evenly distributed, I think its better to let more people have a chance at opening the chests.

Youre not all getting legacy kaoms and aegis shields, thats just how it is. The devs didnt even need to let us have a chance at getting one, theyve given the chance, enjoy it for what it is, dont bash them as if them giving us the chance to get these things again makes them arseholes because now we all feel entitled to more than a chance, we think we are somehow owed the items.

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Norbi1one4all wrote:

anyone else feeling the same?

most of the relics are totally garbage

some relics are even worse than the current drops, whats the point?
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the point is rng. relicts are rare and good rewards even rarer.

I don't particularly care for it myself either. There are only about 18 drops from the reliquary table that return a net positive over the investment in the key itself, and those are, of course, weighted to be very rare.

Add on to that the fact that keys are about the same rarity of exalts (I've dropped 2 exalts this league and 2 keys, call it anecdotal but that's my experience), and you have a recipe for an incredibly disappointing mechanic.

Finally dropped my first key after 9 days /played.

I can tell you this. As soon as I dropped the key...I didn't feel rewarded. I didn't feel excited. Honestly I was a bit pissed off and jaded.

1) The Relics were touted as the CENTRAL part of this league. I would assume that as a result, that every player, even casuals, would get to see at least one. I have put in way more hours than an average player and I've still only gotten one. Yes RNG is RNG...but honestly, this feels like GGG praying on players with a gambling addiction.

2) I had no intention of opening the relic. I knew with my RNG this league that it would be complete ass. The fact that streamers had to open about 30-40 of them to get 1 good item... I knew my chances were slim. Simple question for GGG: IF YOU KNEW WE WOULD GET SHIT 99% OF THE TIME, why make the keys so rare? Let normal players get at least 4-5 pulls of this thing with the chance of getting at least one decent item.

At the end of the day... I don't care that much for relics since i'm really a league-only player. I sold my key for 56 chaos which helped me upgrade gear on my character. I am more upset that more and more shit in this game is gated behind ridiculous amounts of playtime. I'm all for making this game hard for the hardcore...but the shit needs to be done with a little bit of tact.