0.1% of all people control 99% of the resources, are you willing to live in a world like this?

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Name me one socialist / commie state, that:

1.) produced excess wealth for its citizens, comparable to free market capitalism
2.) also produced liberties & freedoms for its citizens
3.) without killing or causing the deaths of millions of its own people

and (optional, since you seem to care about the planet)

4.) wasnt polluting the environment with total disregard



Russia, 1945-1970
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First, the thread title is inaccurate; the top 1% control about 50% of the resources.


Well, your info is incorrect. The real situation is much worse. Don't believe the first graph in the Internet you see.

Now, there are certain resources that just cant be private if you want to have a normal life.
To clarify, I do not advocate total resource state control, but some resources are too vital to be private. I do agree to your so-called Einstein that inevitably the rich through their wealth simply buy power and in time we end up with their total control over everything. This is exactly what is happening.

/Einstein, if you don't know, stole the research works from two scientists and published general relativity as his own. And his wife did all the math./

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In short, I think a free and open Internet, "socialized" and safe from corporate and statist control, in tandem with free market economics, is the answer.


This is utopia. It can't happen. And you talk of taking the Internet out the private hands?
It contradicts your "free market" and "democracy", words which are void of any meaning these days anyway.

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Still, the relatively free market which defined the 18th and 19th centuries led to massive increases in quality of life trrough the agricultural and industrial revolutions


Its not the free market. It was the utter genocide, slavery, robbery by the west, conducted over the whole world. Those "revolutions" are mere consequence.
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poor_hobbit wrote:
Russia, 1945-1970

You are joking, right? Off to the gulag with you...

Even if we disregard all the deaths caused by purges, political persecution and failed centralist economy (since you cut out the worst shit by limiting the time span ;)), the SU was still a far cry from having any liberties & freedoms for its citizens. And lets not compare wealth production with USA in the same time span. In fact lets not even compare it with smaller countries like Japan or West Germany, which were defeated and razed to the ground in 1945 and one of the top world economies in 1970...

And the commies track record of environmental care is horrible. Authoritarian states dont give a fuck about the planet, because guess what - people have no vote.

Sorry, but capitalist free market in combination with democracy always wins in all categories:

- wealth production
- freedoms & liberties
- environmental care
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poor_hobbit wrote:
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In short, I think a free and open Internet, "socialized" and safe from corporate and statist control, in tandem with free market economics, is the answer.
This is utopia. It can't happen. And you talk of taking the Internet out the private hands?
It might be impossible; no system to create the conditions has yet been discovered nor implemented. Still, I think working on finding a solution is worth it, as there might be one.

I won't address your other delusional comments.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
I've been riding the capitalism wave hard for the past couple of years. Within the next 2-3 years I won't depend on wage slavery to sustain myself (if everything goes according to keikaku of course). I'm personally fine with the world I live in, but I acknowledge that others are suffering so I can thrive.
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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I'm in the 0.1% so of course I'm happy with it. What do the peasants want? A whole % point? Fuck that.
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LOL, all of the above comments are clearly have been produced by western propaganda. It only proves brain wash works perfectly indeed.

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Even if we disregard all the deaths caused by purges, political persecution and failed centralist economy (since you cut out the worst shit by limiting the time span ;)), the SU was still a far cry from having any liberties & freedoms for its citizens. And lets not compare wealth production with USA in the same time span. In fact lets not even compare it with smaller countries like Japan or West Germany, which were defeated and razed to the ground in 1945 and one of the top world economies in 1970...

And the commies track record of environmental care is horrible. Authoritarian states dont give a fuck about the planet, because guess what - people have no vote.

Sorry, but capitalist free market in combination with democracy always wins in all categories:

- wealth production
- freedoms & liberties
- environmental care


Let's start with the end of the WWII. USA made a tons of profit from the war, countless examples. All today major corps has been working with the Nazies, Nestle, IBM, Shanel and so on including the so-called "democratic" dynasties as Bush. Let me mention the immense catastrophic devastation in Russia at that time. 22 million lives lost. Whole infrastructure in ruins. Also, the US "help" during the war was in fact a loan, which Russia finally paid in late 20 century. Moreover, all the tech from the Nazies and Japan, including all areas ended in the hands of US, together with elite scientists in that time. Add to this the embargo to that country. Hunger. But that great country didn't fall and sent to space the first astronaut just 25 years later. And they built back everything. There was no war on American soil at all.

About "top" economies Japan and Germany, LOL. All the capital never vanished during the war.
And about Japan, LOL, it is just a slave country to US since the war and still is.

About "Gulag" and bloody Stalin. You are victim of propaganda. You can check the archives, recently opened, Stalin send only 1m to camps and this is during 25 years. And they were all criminals not politically repressed. The author of "Gulag" book has been paid to write it and its all fiction.

Environmental, Its not in Russia where fluorine /most reactive element of all/ has been used in the water supply. Its not Russia who did that great ozone hole, created by the over 200 nuclear US tests during those years. And its not Russia which dropped the bombs over Japan 2 days after the UNCONDITIONAL surrender of Japan. And its not Russia who invaded 47 countries since those times to bring "democracy". You are just being brain washed.

About voting, dude do you really think if you choose 45 years from 2 parties - is called "vote"? What a joke! And besides can you really make a difference between them?

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“Since this is an era when many people are concerned about 'fairness' and 'social justice,' what is your 'fair share' of what someone else has worked for?” ― Thomas Sowell


Utter bullshit. Just ask some economist how the wage is calculated.

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“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”


More bullshit. It reminds me how the super rich play sell and buy with the national debts. Recently one did "earn" 1 billion with the Argentinian debts in 3 minutes. Ask those Argentinians, how they feel about it.

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“One of the consequences of such notions as ‘entitlements’ is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.”


This tells me nothing.

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but I acknowledge that others are suffering so I can thrive


This is typical western hypocrisy.

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I'm in the 0.1% so of course I'm happy with it. What do the peasants want? A whole % point? Fuck that.


LOL, you are not in the 0.1%. Those people do not play POE. And if you are, it tells me how those 0.1% care for the rest.



its fairly natural imo. was so throughout history at least locally.
the biggest communism experiment in history also ended up with the same shit somehow.

its almost like an equilibrium. might be game theory optimal ;)
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its fairly natural imo. was so throughout history at least locally.
the biggest communism experiment in history also ended up with the same shit somehow.

its almost like an equilibrium. might be game theory optimal ;)


I agree. Elites change elites. But the inequality remains. There are strong voices in Russia currently calling to bring mr. Gorbi and company to prosecution for national treason. The whole point was elite wanted to be businessmen as in the west. Trivial as fuck.
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