0.1% of all people control 99% of the resources, are you willing to live in a world like this?

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poor_hobbit wrote:
Personally I do deserve more resources /as well as you/ simply because our goal is to survive as a whole.

Agree with you there. I'm a less privileged human, because I've been born in a country without natural resources. I'm entitled to all that oil, diamonds and other loot, that Africans & Arabs are hoarding for themselves. (that's how leftist redistributionism & welfare works, right?)

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You will always get cartels, monopolies, price protections and etc.

There are laws against monopolies & cartels (as they should be). Still... The west has been paying way too much to OPEC oil Arab mafia cartel, for their product, over the last decades.

Price fixing & protectionism is a leftist / socialist idea.

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As current situation shows, taxes do not redistribute wealth at all.

As I've said, "poor" people in the West are dying of car accidents, obesity & gunshot wounds. Actual poor people in the 3rd world are dying of malnutrition, exposure & curable diseases. This means that taxation in the west works well enough.
When night falls
She cloaks the world
In impenetrable darkness
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The west has been paying way too much to OPEC oil Arab mafia cartel, for their product, over the last decades.


Not true, mate, America pays for REAL natural resources with green printed/or just computer generated paper, which is worth nothing. Do you think America will ever pay their 18 trillion debt to the world?
Also I will give you example from my country. The only gold mine resource in the country is exploited by a Canadian company. Guess how much of this resource is staying in my country?
Spoiler
0.3%

Its done by bribery. This method is used to gather all the world resources by the western mega companies. Its not an isolated case. Why can't do my country something? It cant cos of the world jurisdiction system, which is created, written and exploited by the same rich entities, protected by the brute military force of western countries.
Want example, read something about Panama war over bananas in the 50's.
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This means that taxation in the west works well enough.

On the contrary, the fact that people are poor means the taxation does not work at all.
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Price fixing & protectionism is a leftist / socialist idea.


It can be used in various ways. It can be good, it can be bad. But its not certainly "leftist" or "socialist". Please, don't label me anything, I'm just trying to discuss REAL world facts.
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poor_hobbit wrote:
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This means that taxation in the west works well enough.

On the contrary, the fact that people are poor means the taxation does not work at all.


If only giving peopole money would make them smarter, more wise or more business savvy. But guess what, welfare state does exactly the opposite: for the most part keeps people lazy, entitled and wanting even more.

There will always be relatively poorer and relatively richer people, because: biology, IQ, upbringing, environemnt, culture, personality traits...

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Do you think America will ever pay their 18 trillion debt to the world?

Nope, because they invested a good protion of those trillions in big weapons.

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For the most part I understand what are you saying and I agree that corporativism with concentration of economical & political power, is not a good thing. But at the same time I'm against welfare state & socialist bullshit that never worked.
When night falls
She cloaks the world
In impenetrable darkness
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poor_hobbit wrote:
0.1% of all people control 99% of the resources, are you willing to live in a world like this?



I'm ok with it, I have a neat house a cool PC a nice job I don't see the need of having anything more than that.
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But at the same time I'm against welfare state & socialist bullshit that never worked.

I dont know where you live, but dude trust me: it worked perfectly IN COMPARISON of so-called "free market" and "capitalist". There are countless examples. But the fact is, welfare state never worked to its full potential due to "concentration of power and wealth in the hands of the few", exactly the same as in the west.
The truth is that when you have profit based state, the result is always the fact I stated in the thread heading. Its simple, profit driven entity will always destroy whatever needed in order to get the profit. The result is devastated planet.
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I'm ok with it, I have a neat house a cool PC a nice job I don't see the need of having anything more than that.


Tell me, are you the owner of that neat house?
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poor_hobbit wrote:
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But at the same time I'm against welfare state & socialist bullshit that never worked.

I dont know where you live, but dude trust me: it worked perfectly IN COMPARISON of so-called "free market" and "capitalist". There are countless examples.

Name me one socialist / commie state, that:

1.) produced excess wealth for its citizens, comparable to free market capitalism
2.) also produced liberties & freedoms for its citizens
3.) without killing or causing the deaths of millions of its own people

and (optional, since you seem to care about the planet)

4.) wasnt polluting the environment with total disregard

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poor_hobbit wrote:
The truth is that when you have profit based state, the result is always the fact I stated in the thread heading.

Not exactly. When you allow people to freely engage in business, then you get social inequalities. Because some people are smarter, more hard working, more talented, etc.. than others. Its part of evolution.
When night falls
She cloaks the world
In impenetrable darkness
First, the thread title is inaccurate; the top 1% control about 50% of the resources.


Second, under economies with full central planning, the state controls, or at least attempts to control under penalty of law, all of the resources. Conversely, the closer things get to a free market system, the more the common people have real control over what they choose to do with their (limited?) resources.

The problem with a free market isn't that it's unfair — it's the best economic model out there — but that it is ephemeral. Although I disagree with socialism, I agree with the conclusion of socialist Albert Einstein (yes, really) when he said that the powerful business entities which emerge in democratic free market systems will purchase power within the government and the press, creating systems which are no longer free market nor democratic while still disguised as such. While the 20th century provided evidence to show that communism and socialism have systemic flaws which its proponents haven't addressed, I believe the events of the early 21st century show clearly the "Einstein problem" which capitalism's intelligensia has failed to address.

Still, the relatively free market which defined the 18th and 19th centuries led to massive increases in quality of life trrough the agricultural and industrial revolutions, and the advent of the Internet has injected some unexpected freedom into the press which has led to a growing resistance against corporatist control of mainstream media, giving humanity some breathing room to address the "Einstein problem." I feel the best solution is to find social mechanisms to properly secure freedom of speech and press from corporatist interests, and through those freedoms ensure a marketplace of ideas which prevents well-financed propaganda from subverting democracy.

In short, I think a free and open Internet, "socialized" and safe from corporate and statist control, in tandem with free market economics, is the answer. However, this will only be possible if we, as a people, hold freedom of speech on the Internet as sacred, and pressure our governments towards policies reflecting that sanctity.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
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