Add a 5 second logout timer...

Actually, let me correct my earlier post:

Game should have a configurable automatic logout delay. Both the minimum and the default should be 500ms - meaning if your ping hits 500ms the game automatically logs you out. You can change the logout delay in Options menu, but game is tuned assuming a 500ms delay.

Intentionally logging out has a fixed 500ms delay - almost instant, but not quite.

there are already delays with logout macros

and logout macros rarely help when game dies. they do help a lot when people want to cheat

so i understand HC players do not want to hear from SC crowd (i do not play HC for the very reason the game had desyng in open beta) but reasons presented (technical failures mitigation) are mostly fallacies: when network hickup occurs it is already too late for auto logout (the game plays regardless of player's input). when logout works flawlessly is when network is fine but the character is about to die

note: according to ggg game auto-drops players after some seconds already. maybe that is bit too long, i do not know as i DC once a quarter.

It would kill HC, those guys alt f4 even when a tough blue mob appears.

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Chadwixx wrote:

It would kill HC, those guys alt f4 even when a tough blue mob appears.

No, it would kill the posers who pretend to be HC. HC will still be alive and well.

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sidtherat wrote:

note: according to ggg game auto-drops players after some seconds already. maybe that is bit too long, i do not know as i DC once a quarter.

It's 8 seconds last I checked. Ridiculous.

Like I said, needs to be much shorter. I'm concerned with real accidents like power/internet outages first, and KZA's concerns of "hardcore posers" a distant second. I do think a 500ms intentional logout delay would kill more than a few HC characters, though.

1 or 2 seconds would be perfect. Force players to actually play hc thebway it was intended instead of surviving due to macros. Make racing more fair for thise who dont use macros to cheat and survive an encounter they should die in. 1 or 2 seconds is all it takes to die if you make a mistake in hc or a race. Then those leaderboards will actually mean something.

I actually like the idea, even as someone who's only playing hardcore.

Would be fun to see how many "hardcore" players will complain, once such a timer actually gets introduced.

It pains me to see how often people cheat death, even though they would deserve it.

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sidtherat wrote:

there are already delays with logout macros

and logout macros rarely help when game dies. they do help a lot when people want to cheat

so i understand HC players do not want to hear from SC crowd (i do not play HC for the very reason the game had desyng in open beta) but reasons presented (technical failures mitigation) are mostly fallacies: when network hickup occurs it is already too late for auto logout (the game plays regardless of player's input). when logout works flawlessly is when network is fine but the character is about to die

note: according to ggg game auto-drops players after some seconds already. maybe that is bit too long, i do not know as i DC once a quarter.

It's not only 'bout network issues, but also. Look what ppl had problems with 2.4 at the start of the league (for me the game was 2 weeks literally unplayable - you may read some of the threads in tech. issues forum from start of the league if you want). ALt+F4 counters not only network/ISP issues (sometimes it works better, sometimes not). And yes, game disconnects anyway, but that takes often several seconds - it's a logout timer deluxe.

Another part are issues like hard FPS drops and game freezes. I know what I'm speaking of, played nearly 2 years on several potatoes this game (Win 32bit with 2gig ram anyone?).

I have since 2 weeks a new rig (AMD FX quad core) and Alt+F4 two times - cause of that freezes.
Now you can judge about me.

What me triggers in that cases is not the discussion about this at all, it's the flaming like 'Logout Core' , 'Alt+F4 core' and other shit which mostly comes from players who never really played HC.

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Jankalor wrote:

I actually like the idea, even as someone who's only playing hardcore.

Would be fun to see how many "hardcore" players will complain, once such a timer actually gets introduced.

It pains me to see how often people cheat death, even though they would deserve it.

Well, maybe guys like you will be enlightened if they start a league HC and looses several chars only reasoned by tech. issues/bugs and so on. I would at least mean, that I never will start a league again in HC and waiting 1-2 weeks until the most shit is fixed. DUnno if that would be halthy to the HC com at all.

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KZA wrote:

Add a 5 second logout timer...

I might actually start respecting this as a real game instead of a hack job if they did that. Having to exit the game as a major, common way to prevent dying is just sad, really sad. It also makes 'hard core' a complete joke when you're using logout scripts.

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Hunwulf wrote:

Well, maybe guys like you will be enlightened if they start a league HC and looses several chars only reasoned by tech. issues/bugs and so on. I would at least mean, that I never will start a league again in HC and waiting 1-2 weeks until the most shit is fixed. DUnno if that would be halthy to the HC com at all.

While I have rarely had any tech. related issues so far, which could have caused my characters to die, I do agree that a logout timer could be fatal for the reasons you described.

I am also fully aware that a logout timer is probably never going to get introduced, yet I wouldn't mind some kind of "ban" for logout scripts or other intentional ways that abuse this current system.

Using them is just pathetic and has nothing to do with being "hardcore" in any way.