Sneaky Trade Scam Attempt
" ok mate, you want to do a little experiment with it? Go to a shop that has price stickers on items, I want you to pick up 3 expensive items, then I want you to take off the price stickers, take the price stickers off 3 cheaper items and stick then on the expensive ones. Now go to the checkout and attempt to purchase those 3 things you just repriced. If during this process you start to feel a need to hide this repricing activity from the store security guards, ask yourself why you are feeling the need to do that. I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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" don't try to compare a real life event to a video game. Since when video games are real life. lol I'm still going to bargain every single time I trade in this game idc. I think paying for the overpriced price fixed by a random guy is stupid, I'm going to pay for what I think it deserve nothing more. If you don't want to trade fine, there are 285 similar items that could do the job for sale. " Like I said, everyone try to bargain on both side. When I see someone who sell his item lower than everyone else I try to bargain with him because I know he's in a hurry to sell it wich is why he might accept even a lower price. Last edited by diablofdb#3816 on Jan 24, 2016, 10:13:04 PM
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" morality, etiquette etc between people making a trade is what it is, both people are humsn beings with something they value, stop being silly. " This is not bargaining, this is actively trying to deceive the seller. Why are you telling us you are going to bargain? no one cares, it has absolutely nothing to do with the thread, it is neither about you nor bargaining, its about attempting to scam people. Not really sure how you are having such a hard time understanding the difference. I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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Deception is not against the rules of the game.
All fair play on the dangerous continent of Wraeclast. Each exile for himself! |
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I thought scam attempts were patched awhile back when buyers found a way to trick sellers with the UI Trade window switcheroo. Now the sellers just need to keep an eye on what the buyers (if they do) put in their offer window.
Not sure if I should be sad or not that OP stooped to the buyer's level in ripping off and try to make it look OP was not effected by the outcome. " Yup, ripping off is fair game in Wraeclast. Seller should decided whether or not to accept the low ball offer, even if deception is being involved (if you noticed the deception before the trade attempt by researching your own shop, then you saved yourself the trouble from a slick buyer). This also applies to buyer needing to research whatever they are trying to buy to avoid buying an overpriced item from the seller that is probably trying to rip you off. In the end, it is easy to say no or just ignore. That is acting professional as buyer/seller. Now if trouble occurs like qq via whisper and profanity occurs just report it. Now if there is actual scams, being scammed is the last thing you need to be worry about. GGG would need to find the exploit that someone or an entity has reverse engineered or found a flawed logic to being able to trade while tricking the other party. Sometimes you can take the game out of the garage but you can't take the garage out of the game. - raics, 06.08.2016 Last edited by JohnNamikaze#6516 on Jan 25, 2016, 12:14:16 AM
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I don't know about the rest of you, but in my real life I play video games. (I suspect you all do too, since this is a video game forum)
We fight to delay the end because it's the means that matter.
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" Errr, no. Changing the amount for how much it was LISTED so the seller thinks he is getting full price is different to bargain. Bargain is when you inform the seller that listed price is 5c, and then saying you are willing to offer 4c. THIS is bargain. I bargain on regular basis, and people usually accept (actually people very rarely reject), so its not like people have problem with bargain. People have problem with individuals thinking they are smarter than they really are. :) " Why? Lol. They aren't, but as you might have noticed, we have some rules that stop you from calling people names IN-GAME (since when games are real life?!). We don't need those real life rules, right?! Not saying it is illegal to do in-game, but OP just said to be careful, and that such people are to be avoided. Want to do your jack-ass bargain? Go for it. Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge. Last edited by Perq#4049 on Jan 25, 2016, 1:09:44 AM
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" This. I'm always just alter the poe.trade text a bit like: "Hi, offer 2 ex for your Greed's Embrace Golden Plate (listed for 2.5 exalted in Hardcore Talisman). ty" Thats 2 sec and makes clear you want to negotiate, dunno why that's so hard for some people. " You just dont get it (or dont willing to do). Sneaky attempts to alter the listed price isn't negotiating. If someone do it that way with me, i never change my listed price. It's all about the phrasing of your offer. "better to simply go balls deep full retard if you gonna go retard." -Boem-
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" Maybe I'm just playing on words, but I would hardly call it fair. Technically legal, at best. I mean, look, definition: "without cheating or trying to achieve unjust advantage". Where's the ambiguity here? Save a Carrot, Eat a Rabbit!
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" Technically legal as in because GGG allow it, but it is still frowned upon to be ripped off or rip off. A game with the economy fluctuating by the minute, it is really tough to have a constant value on an item, and sometimes the value of the item is outdated quickly. Of course, the issue is the "deceiving" part, but again, seller/buyer need to be up to date with that they trying to sell/buy to avoid slick sellers/buyers. If they cannot handle it....do not bother selling items/find another seller that is in rush to sell one. Simple as that. Ultimately, this game is a buyer's league as well, you can only sell an item if there is a buyer. You can only do so much as a seller, be picky with your prices and your items will get dusty quickly. If an item does not sell within a day (thanks to bots roaming around the poe trade website), it is deemed overpriced. I see items still on the shelves because the seller is not willing to negotiate in some cases, and in few cases they will, but it just does not happen much. While the buyer from OP's case pulled a slick (or dirty) move, it is what it is. You either moan about like what OP did or ignore/say no to the buyer and move on. I would rather go the latter route and avoid the drama that is ensured. OP tried to make it a big deal out of it making it look like the buyer committed a capital offense, when it is indeed not when ripping off is technically legal. Also, scamming (which the word tend to be abused a lot) implies a crime being committed, and in real life trying to scam a store that is protected by the law (I know where I live this is the case) will land one in deep trouble, but this game is a barter system with no rules protecting the user from it besides threatening others, botting, rmting, exploiting the game by taking down the server to dupe back the item, and anything else in the code of conduct that mentions. If OP really felt the buyer was attempting to scam, OP should had reported the buyer. I know this does nothing to answer your question about the ambiguity part, but should GGG step in if there is case that a buyer is trying to deceptively rip off a seller and vice versa? You do not have to answer my question since I did not answer your question, but just leaving a food for thought before heading off to sleep. Sometimes you can take the game out of the garage but you can't take the garage out of the game. - raics, 06.08.2016 Last edited by JohnNamikaze#6516 on Jan 25, 2016, 4:24:41 AM
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