Death Penalty Adjustment Discussion

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Real_Wolf wrote:

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Thadenkeen wrote:

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Barivius wrote:

When you die in this game multiple times, it is because your build or gear is not good enough. The fact that someone could make it to 100 zerging tough bosses and using 6 portals makes me ill. We'd be playing maps with more quantity since the only measure of failure is if you die > 6 times.

I have to disagree with you on this one, i rarely die due to my build or gear. I do die, a lot, from dysc.

I believe this is were most people get frustrated and give up. Like the OP, many friends have left POE and went back to D3, because of it.

So i agree in that regard, you are punished (death = xp penalty) for something you have no control over. which makes leveling a real PITA..

Am sure many have commented, 'another one of these threads!' yes, another one. They should keep coming until GGG listens and does something. This games lives and dies by donations (micro-transactions), player base continues to drop, so do those donations. This topic seems to be the biggest concern and yet nothing seems to change.


Side Note: I for ONE:

Can live with dysnc & Dying if i had a choice between xp loss or pay an orb (say an alch), but dying and losing XP from nothing i did, frustrating as hell. I purchased my last supporter pack, and i wont buy another one while the game stays like this.. i know that doesnt mean much to you all and probably even GGG, but it does to me.

peace..

There are a few things completely wrong about this:
The first is saying that you die from desync as if it was impossible to not die. Strange that people play HC and don't die then. Sure desync might aggravate the death, but it is potentially possible to not die ever, so anytime you die you SHOULD take responsibility for it and not just blame something else. Disconnects due to internet cutting out is completely different, but desync is avoidable, and indeed since I last returned I have seen it once where it had an effect (needed to be teleported). And that is using flicker (albeit with understanding of what can cause desync and knowing how to tell when out of sync)

The second part is that people who go from PoE to D3 obviously are after a different game. They used to be slightly comparable, but with how D3 works now they are different types of games. Might as well be saying "they have gone back to Cod4 because dying there doesn't matter"

Finally on the subject of 'one of these threads', the reason this is said is because player base continues to rise (seriously, it is getting bigger each act, check the ACTUAL stats), and the DEVELOPERS who decide this have said "We are happy with hwhere it is at".

Everyone agrees that if there is a better option it could change. No one with any logic behind their argument thinks that it should be removed and left removed

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darkwolf7786 wrote:

Devourers, Leapfrogs, and Dropbears (somewhat) are all in pretty poor taste. Dropbears do not deal damage as they land, and even if you stop, you might only spawn less of the pack until you move forward again, so they can be pretty tame for the most part.

Leapfrogs chain stun easily and very fast. When Goatmen do it, its very slow, they have a slow travel time and also deal less damage which make them alright to have it. Frogs on the other hand attack much faster by nature and they're much stronger, which make them a very frustrating death.


As long as you're constantly moving, they aren't as much of a threat, but devourers do deal damage coming out of their holes once they're completely out (or i think they have some melee attack they do, they do something). if you got stunned by any of them then its a good chance you're gonna take several hits. While the first set of devourers might be a surprise, luring out future packs by staving on the move with a fast move speed or via movement skills should be pretty easy.

I feel that not every monster type should exist in such large packs. Devourers and things like the frogs who chain Leap Slam are good examples, especially if they're hasted

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Mooginator wrote:

One very important point nobody has mentioned here is the league design of the game and how it's supportive of "trying new things". While so many cry about the sky falling if the death penalty was removed (or adjusted) from the core game, the simple fact is we can only find out what the impact of an adjusted or removed penalty is by seeing it in action.

GGG should create a 3-month league to try this out. As a matter of fact, I think it would be an excellent test. Watch the metrics of leveling, the number of players that continue playing (and don't quit a character or the game after death at high level), and compare those metrics to the other/prior leagues with the current mechanics. Heck, to protect the economy they can even wipe characters at the end rather than migrate them to standard (if they're worried about imbalance from it). I would certainly play that league, as would my friends who quit due to the penalty. Heck, my wife would probably try it out as well.

After the league, GGG can then determine if they want to change the mechanic for the rest of the game.

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Antnee wrote:

...so, another 60 pages, then?