Kinetic Blast, Ondar's Guile and Reflect

After I've died so many times on both Phys and Ele reflect with 95% to evade, Im seriously wondering if the game is not flawed.

- Does Ondar's Guile apply to Projectile reflected damage ?

- Is the AOE from Kinetic Blast really considered as Projectile ? Is it evadeable with Evasion (and Ondar's) ?

- Elemental Damage on hit (wrath, anger, hot, hoi...), when applied via Projectiles, are evadeable through Ele Reflect with Evasion (and Ondar's) ?

I don't think I should be dying on Phys Reflect when I have 50%+ evasion and Ondar's Guile AND Acrobatics, so please enlighten me.

- It does, you can evade reflected damage from attacks just fine.

- Yes, it's projectile attack damage it's evadeable and Ondar applies.

- Sure, if you evaded a projectile you evade any and all damage it would do, same goes for reflected damage from a projectile.

How high is your accuracy and evasion? That 50% is an estimate from comparing enemy accuracy versus your evasion rating and your accuracy is significantly higher. You might not even have 20-30%. Still, with both ondar and acrobatics, you shouldn't die that often, what kind of dps are you pushing out and what's your life pool?

My stats :
Evasion 11404
Chance to hit 88%
Accuracy 52 + 166 + 242 + 92 + 249*2 (from dex) = 1050, +32% accuracy, +30% accuracy with wands
so it should be 1050*1,62 = 1701 accuracy with wands
HP 2690

DPS : Kinetic Blast with GMP, FasterAttacks, Increased Crit Damage (560% crit multi :s)
DPS 8157
Total combined damage : 373-1548, Physical : 135-238

I did not know that I actually only have ~30% to evade my own attacks which would explain alot, considering the crit multi...
I die when I shoot in a big mob, piercing it (40% chance from tree) with the GMP Kinetic Blast.

I've wondered about this too. I've noticed that I avoid reflect more when attacking packs in the open rather than hitting a wall to trigger the explosions in a small area. It may just be a matter of having more hits per attack when I shotgun KB against a wall, but the difference is very noticeable. Usually I can ignore reflect, but I've nearly one-shot myself a couple times doing the shotgun trick on reflect rares. I have ~1.3k accuracy and ~2.8k evasion with Ondar's Guile.

As far as I know Ondars Guile does not apply to reflect.
I once read a quote of Chris stating that it does not work because the reflected attack comes from the enemy.
This explanation fits my personal experience and your explenation.
Unortunately I can' t find the quote.

PS: I would recommend Ondars Guile anyways, it' s pretty OP

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wagi013 wrote:

As far as I know Ondars Guile does not apply to reflect.
I once read a quote of Chris stating that it does not work because the reflected attack comes from the enemy.
This explanation fits my personal experience and your explenation.
Unortunately I can' t find the quote.

Yeah, it used to work like that before, a fairly long time ago. It wasn't possible to evade, dodge, block, maybe even mitigate physical reflect with armor, can't really remember details.

Now reflected damage is a fragment of your own damage that came back, it carries no properties except damage type and accuracy (if an attack was reflected) and does not count as a full hit for purposes of event triggering.

Evade is not the proper setting to avoid reflect, ie you will get full damage no matter what once in a while, and this even if you evade 99.99% of the time. Use an other mean to mitigate reflect, evasion is only good as a standard layer of defense, but not for reflect. Unless you play torment and don't care about dying once in a while use something else, lower your damage, convert to an other type of damage, use vaal pact...