The Downfall of Zombies and Spectres in late game

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Starxsword wrote:

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Stuff that hits my character for 3k damage (using my expected damage resist with a flask) will hit my zombies (assuming maxed resists on them) for 7.5k damage and if they have 50% resist will do around 15k damage.

What in the world would hit you for 3k and your minion for 7.5k to 15k? Is this elemental damage and your resists are 90% or something without using Purity of <your element>?

Sorry, missed you asking that as it got buried.

Anyway yep, I aim for 80% natural + flask at least for myself. As for minions, I know I can't force them within the aura range (plus its my survival first, then my minions) and there are mobs that can curse them with various elemental weaknesses. They may have 75%+ with purity of fire with a decent amount of resistance overcap but a single flammability* amidst the other fire spell spam and they are returned to being walking rags soaked in gasoline. Or the same with chaos, I'm at 75% + my flask and they are getting chewed up by that poison bomb the alchemist threw.

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Jiero wrote:

Anyway yep, I aim for 80% natural + flask at least for myself. As for minions, I know I can't force them within the aura range and there are mobs that can curse them with various elemental weaknesses. They may have 75%+ with purity of fire with a decent amount of resistance overcap but a single flammability amidst the other fire spell spam and they are returned to being walking rags soaked in gasoline. Or the same with chaos, I'm at 75% + my flask and they are getting chewed up by that poison bomb the alchemist threw.

Excuse me for my wrong answer early on ♥

At least, Vitality giving high regeneration for minions can fix that issue. My minions buffed with Vitality aura never dies to chaos damage up until now in ultra end game maps.
However, for insane AOE DMG from boss, I have no idea how to maintain your playability without 200 ex build.

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tmaciak wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

sorry that is just a place holder i use when i start to look at some one elses build and find inefficiencies , but don't have the immediate time to explain them all.

I will properly explain what i mean when i get time.

I know that as Auramancer or pure SRSeer I would be more "efficient", the point is, that I don't want to be either of those. I don't want to use any skill just to trigger EE, use curses, be walking aura totem etc. I want to have build which uses strictly necromancers skills and have shitload of strong minions.

For me it's normal way summoner build should work. And if it will not work for all game content, it's pity for the game.

And title of my showcase is quite purposeful, I wanted WD PoE version ;)

Auras = Stronger summons

Just saying. So do curses,and it feels like D2 necro when you use em even.

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bunnyxian90 wrote:

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Jiero wrote:

Anyway yep, I aim for 80% natural + flask at least for myself. As for minions, I know I can't force them within the aura range and there are mobs that can curse them with various elemental weaknesses. They may have 75%+ with purity of fire with a decent amount of resistance overcap but a single flammability amidst the other fire spell spam and they are returned to being walking rags soaked in gasoline. Or the same with chaos, I'm at 75% + my flask and they are getting chewed up by that poison bomb the alchemist threw.

This happens because your character has low regeneration to life or ES.
Right now, my character regenerating at 260 ES per second, I am not that squishy against Chaos/Fire over time and can continue focusing my resummoning or maintaining their dmg dealing process in specific part in Map.
At least, I know high regeneration can fix that issue.

However, for insane AOE DMG from boss, I have no idea how to maintain your playability without 200 ex build.

Did you read neither my post nor what I was answering and just randomly pulled a answer out of a hat? It had nothing to do with anything in my post nor what I quoted, the quote of which was asking me a question about another post I made regarding how much damage summons can take in comparison to their owner.

I was asked how I can take 3k damage in a scenario where my zombies can take 7.5k-15k and I responded that curses + them running out of range of my purity aura can cause that.. or chaos, which I can't boost the resistance of my zombies the same way I can boost their elemental resists (or my own chaos resist).

My survival was perfectly fine, stated that outright in fact by saying I focused on myself before my own minions everytime...

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Autocthon wrote:

Auras = Stronger summons Just saying. So do curses,and it feels like D2 necro when you use em even.

Necro in D2 was not my favorite class, more druid if we are at summoning classes. And if I remember I haven't used curses there.

For me, there is something fundamentally broken here, if going for all auras nodes we receive better summoner if when going for all summons nodes.

But it's not only cheesy weasy gimmick here.

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tmaciak wrote:

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Autocthon wrote:

Auras = Stronger summons Just saying. So do curses,and it feels like D2 necro when you use em even.

Necro in D2 was not my favorite class, more druid if we are at summoning classes. And if I remember I haven't used curses there.

For me, there is something fundamentally broken here, if going for all auras nodes we receive better summoner if when going for all summons nodes.

But it's not only cheesy weasy gimmick here.

Necromancer in D2 is a success, needless to say.

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Jiero wrote:

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Oh, sorry there. Too sleepy here, I thought I am helping but its a wrong question to get addressed with.

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tmaciak wrote:

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

sorry that is just a place holder i use when i start to look at some one elses build and find inefficiencies , but don't have the immediate time to explain them all.

I will properly explain what i mean when i get time.

I know that as Auramancer or pure SRSeer I would be more "efficient", the point is, that I don't want to be either of those. I don't want to use any skill just to trigger EE, use curses, be walking aura totem etc. I want to have build which uses strictly necromancers skills and have shitload of strong minions.

For me it's normal way summoner build should work. And if it will not work for all game content, it's pity for the game.

And title of my showcase is quite purposeful, I wanted WD PoE version ;)

not what i meant , i mean you could have gotten more life for less investment and you took more int nodes than is needed .

and you ommited one of the main aura node bubbles with 12% reserved

and you got eb but i dont think you are planning to use a cloak of defiance. , i have a similar tree and 900 mana without eb. so i was a bit confused as to why you went for eb.


i can appreciate what you were going for though. but ill tell you from experieince , crafting a strong minion build , is very resource intensive in terms of gem space and passives.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

not what i meant , i mean you could have gotten more life for less investment and you took more int nodes than is needed .

and you ommited one of the main aura node bubbles with 12% reserved

and you got eb but i dont think you are planning to use a cloak of defiance. , i have a similar tree and 900 mana without eb. so i was a bit confused as to why you went for eb.

I answered your PM, thank you for your suggestion. I actually use Cloak of Defiance, so free mana is my buffer. I just logged and took screenshot of my defensive stats: http://i.imgur.com/CC9wTrb.jpg From auras, I use generosited Hatred and PoE and non-generosited Vitality, so I calculated, that there is not much point to spend points for Charisma, so it's not omitted, it's just not taken.

69 map and exile.

ALL minions gone.
Start of map spectres lost.

Very broken

http://i.imgur.com/jiEuSZv.jpg

Finished a Bazaar Map that is corrupted. See picture for mods. I only lost 1 spectre but I used SRS+Totem to finish the map. I haven't tried without SRS+Totem. Not sure how I will fair with my build in further maps. Will post more results later.