Drop rate problem (of the good stuff)

Lol, way to assume I have no life. I run a business and am at work all the time. That's why I'm here posting on the forums instead of playing the game. If I'm a 'no lifer', you must be a 'casual' and this game is not designed for you. So go back to the rewarding D3. It's designed for people like you, so I don't even know why you're here.

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mark1030 wrote:

Lol, way to assume I have no life. I run a business and am at work all the time. That's why I'm here posting on the forums instead of playing the game. If I'm a 'no lifer', you must be a 'casual' and this game is not designed for you. So go back to the rewarding D3. It's designed for people like you, so I don't even know why you're here.

No you do not run your business and you are not at work all the time, my goodness do you think people are idiots really?!

When you run your business you don't spend time on the forum of a game you say you don't play anyway, it makes ZERO sense. Also you don't call people "Casual" because it would be your exact definition, since you have a job that takes up most of your time.

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tackle70 wrote:

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Dahita wrote:

HOW ON EARTH am I supposed to get 1500 fusing orbs?after an hour playing, how many do you get? 1? 2?

Let's say 2 to be super positive and let's make rapid math.

1500/2 = 750 hours

Let's say that I play 2 hours on monday night, 2 on thursday and what, 4 during the week end (that's alrdy a lot but hey, at some point I have to give something in) That's 8 hours per week. Getting 6 links will take me 93 weeks, ALMOST 2 YEARS.

With half decent MF gear, you can get 1 fusing per Dominus/Piety kill. 1 kill takes about 5 minutes. That's 12 fusings per hour. At 8 hours per week, that's ~15 weeks to get a 6 link assuming you get zero good drops and rely only on your alt/jew/fuse pickups for the currency. Not too bad. 8 hours per week is very little in this game.

"With half decent MF gear", yeah that's highly subjective at best. Not only is it hard for me to get the equipment that allows me to kill Dominus at the highest level, on top of it it also has to have good MF, which already means I made it halfway. So no, it's not that simple.

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Trading is half the game and 90% of how you build wealth. If you don't want to trade, you should not expect to acquire GG gear for years.

You're stating what I am pointing out as a problem. What's your point?

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Dahita wrote:

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mark1030 wrote:

Lol, way to assume I have no life. I run a business and am at work all the time. That's why I'm here posting on the forums instead of playing the game. If I'm a 'no lifer', you must be a 'casual' and this game is not designed for you. So go back to the rewarding D3. It's designed for people like you, so I don't even know why you're here.

No you do not run your business and you are not at work all the time, my goodness do you think people are idiots really?!

When you run your business you don't spend time on the forum of a game you say you don't play anyway, it makes ZERO sense. Also you don't call people "Casual" because it would be your exact definition, since you have a job that takes up most of your time.

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I do run my own business. If i thought you wouldn't stalk me i'd give you my corporate charter number, EIN and MO Tax ID numbers.. I never said I don't play. I said the reason i don't play all the time is because I'm at work. And I was refuting the claim that I have no life. I do. It's quite a good one too. I get to play PoE in my spare time. And the use of the word casual was in contrast to the no life comment. I wasn't even talking to you so take a chill pill.

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Dahita wrote:

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tackle70 wrote:

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Dahita wrote:

HOW ON EARTH am I supposed to get 1500 fusing orbs?after an hour playing, how many do you get? 1? 2?

Let's say 2 to be super positive and let's make rapid math.

1500/2 = 750 hours

Let's say that I play 2 hours on monday night, 2 on thursday and what, 4 during the week end (that's alrdy a lot but hey, at some point I have to give something in) That's 8 hours per week. Getting 6 links will take me 93 weeks, ALMOST 2 YEARS.

With half decent MF gear, you can get 1 fusing per Dominus/Piety kill. 1 kill takes about 5 minutes. That's 12 fusings per hour. At 8 hours per week, that's ~15 weeks to get a 6 link assuming you get zero good drops and rely only on your alt/jew/fuse pickups for the currency. Not too bad. 8 hours per week is very little in this game.

"With half decent MF gear", yeah that's highly subjective at best. Not only is it hard for me to get the equipment that allows me to kill Dominus at the highest level, on top of it it also has to have good MF, which already means I made it halfway. So no, it's not that simple.

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Trading is half the game and 90% of how you build wealth. If you don't want to trade, you should not expect to acquire GG gear for years.

You're stating what I am pointing out as a problem. What's your point?

Realistically, there are no upgrades for you in docks. You can only take your level there so far until diminishing returns. I take it that you did not play standard to play self-found? I mean you can play hard-core self-found, but I seriously doubt you have the patience for it. You have to understand that all gear that has ever been created eventually makes its way to standard and the balance of the game at this point is predicated upon that. Reinventing the wheel is not worth your time. You need to trade to get the better items from the people that now have even better items than that. Complaining that there isn't a smooth progression from one piece of gear to another is a valid point. Doing what you are doing and complaining about it is not worth your time. At one point, Piety used to be the hardest boss in the game. If you want to play based on that perspective, without trading, than you almost won the game and it was supposed to take a long time. If you want to see the new content, you either rise to the level of hardcore players, or you experience the new content by trading. If your choice is to rise to the level of hardcore players and not trade, then I can't help you and you are talking to the wrong guy. If you want to improve your character through trading and theorycrafting, be prepared for a long, long, long, conversation to ensue.

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mark1030 wrote:

Lol, way to assume I have no life. I run a business and am at work all the time. That's why I'm here posting on the forums instead of playing the game. If I'm a 'no lifer', you must be a 'casual' and this game is not designed for you. So go back to the rewarding D3. It's designed for people like you, so I don't even know why you're here.

Yeah I must be a casual. That's why I strictly only play HC leagues. Because I'm a casual.


Again, please don't lie about not spending thousands of hours in the game, because it is pretty clear that you did. Not everyone has that amount of time to commit to the game. If you really did self-found two CoEs/Shavs and two Aegis, either you have the RNG luck of the century, or you spend alot more time than 99% of the gaming world would.


I mean seriously, there are people who bot for 3 months on end and still didn't find the amount of gear you posted (though they do find more currency), so either way, you're bullshitting us.

It's sickening really how people are constantly busy with flaming towards other people instead of making a good point.

And I don't read many of those, only the same old boring complaint about RNG and about how the game is too much trading YAAAWWWNNN.

Just shut up and start crafting in the new expansion but most of all stop being jealous at people who have more time then you have. What do you guys want that spending a lot of time is useless or something? That you can log in play 30 minutes to get a Shavs? Or a 6L?

You just don't get the concept of the game, that's all...

I'll let people debating about casual gamers (that I am, by the way) without getting in but can you please do it somewhere else?

Zindax, I quote what you said

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I mean you can play hard-core self-found, but I seriously doubt you have the patience for it.

Yeah, that's the whole point of this thread, you can't get anything without trading and imo trading became way too important in this game. It has overcome the simple fact of actually playing it.

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You need to trade to get the better items from the people that now have even better items than that

Same thing

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Piety used to be the hardest boss in the game. If you want to play based on that perspective, without trading, than you almost won the game and it was supposed to take a long time. If you want to see the new content, you either rise to the level of hardcore players, or you experience the new content by trading

That's where I disagree. In this game, either you become a hardcore gamer or you become a trade specialist.

There should be an in between. I have absolutely no problem having to play longer to get to a greater level since I can't spend more than 6/8 hours a week on the game. However, I am complaining about the fact there is NO in-between. Hardcore gamers do still have to go through a lot of crafting and trading.

Where is the fun of just playing, finding better weapons (slightly better, nothing of interest for a hardcore gamer, just some legendaries here and there that makes you feel good when you beat a boss) and moving on until you get to a level like 80 / 85 where you actually have to go a lot deeper into it if you want to make it?

A good example imo: Diablo 2 (I'm so sorry this is the only relevant reference I can thing of) and the occulus versus a HOTO.

The Occulus was a very good item for sorcs, yet easily droppable, fun to play with and more than enough to get to lvl 90. Now for hardcore gamers, it was absolutely no comparison to a Heart Of The Oak, which would take so much more to get (all the runes and a nice ethereal 4 sockets weapon). There were even 2 more steps in between (socketing your occulus with a gold gem for more MF, and if richer with an Ist rune)

There you have the best from both worlds. For casuals and hardcore gamers. Did it ruin the game? certainly not. And there are plenty of examples like that (duriel's shell that you could upgrade, frostburns, set items and what not). You would drop a tone of mid / high level stuff that helped you become more powerful but yet made you want to keep going to get the much harder and really good stuff.

In one word: FUN and adapted to EVERY kind of play.

I do not find this balance in this game (it doesn't feel rewarding at all after 4 hours of playing at lvl 70 for example, and I'm not talking about lvling at the docks, just regular monster ass-kicking) and I'm trying to get this message out there because I really, really like this game for everything else that it has (the characters, the AMAZING skill tree, the gems, the universe, the bestiary, the customization, the music, the ambiance, the graphics, just about everything). I miss playing it but I keep feeling disappointed every time I try to get back on it.

Sorry but I think you're so full of it and I don't even know where to begin because of your lengthy novel.

"You can't get anything without trading"? Really? What should this mean? What is anything?
You can get decent rares, you can get 4 links and 5 links playing pretty casually, you can get lots of orbs, you will find uniques playing casually. And man, if you play "casually" long enough you will achieve that hardcore goal anyway, just maybe not in the temporary leagues. Who cares, really...

And what about the new expansion? Crafting bench, hello? Do you realize that the new crafting options address exactly this? Can you get out of your bubble please?

You do not have to trade of you don't like it but expect that you have to put in more effort and time to progress, that's inherent and obvious.

"Either become a hardcore gamer or a trader and there is nothing in between"? Not sure what I am then but you can get as "in between" as you want, it's all up to you..

Trading and crafting are core elements of this game and many games alike, for example D2 so I'm really clueless what your problem really is. I can only conclude that you're just bitter that ultra rare or expensive items take a lot of time to obtain. This is a good thing and serves replayability. If you were to decide how drops were balanced all the hardcore people would leave, probably to play with the Satan D3.

What you're expecting is linear kiddy progression, drops that are nobrainers. The fun is this game is building your character, putting in a lot of effort to progress further and further. And that there is always a new, more challenging goal, like obtaining that 6 link or that ultra rare unique.

You really sound like you want a game like Mario. A flower drops every minute that makes you OP.

You will find plenty of good stuff and you have plenty of modification options, more then in any other game. Use the tools that are handed to you, craft and trade. If you don't like trade only do it when absolutely necessary and try to focus on crafting in the new expansion.

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Startkabels wrote:

Sorry but I think you're so full of it and I don't even know where to begin because of your lengthy novel.

"You can't get anything without trading"? Really? What should this mean? What is anything?
You can get decent rares, you can get 4 links and 5 links playing pretty casually, you can get lots of orbs, you will find uniques playing casually. And man, if you play "casually" long enough you will achieve that hardcore goal anyway, just maybe not in the temporary leagues. Who cares, really...

And what about the new expansion? Crafting bench, hello? Do you realize that the new crafting options address exactly this? Can you get out of your bubble please?

You do not have to trade of you don't like it but expect that you have to put in more effort and time to progress, that's inherent and obvious.

"Either become a hardcore gamer or a trader and there is nothing in between"? Not sure what I am then but you can get as "in between" as you want, it's all up to you..

Trading and crafting are core elements of this game and many games alike, for example D2 so I'm really clueless what your problem really is. I can only conclude that you're just bitter that ultra rare or expensive items take a lot of time to obtain. This is a good thing and serves replayability. If you were to decide how drops were balanced all the hardcore people would leave, probably to play with the Satan D3.

What you're expecting is linear kiddy progression, drops that are nobrainers. The fun is this game is building your character, putting in a lot of effort to progress further and further. And that there is always a new, more challenging goal, like obtaining that 6 link or that ultra rare unique.

You really sound like you want a game like Mario. A flower drops every minute that makes you OP.

You will find plenty of good stuff and you have plenty of modification options, more then in any other game. Use the tools that are handed to you, craft and trade. If you don't like trade only do it when absolutely necessary and try to focus on crafting in the new expansion.

Ok buddy you are going to have to understand that a forum is made for people to express their opinion. You don't have the same as mine? We can discuss it, that's what a forum is there for.

Starting by saying "I'm full of it" is not discussing a topic. It doesn't even mean anything. Am I lying? Ok, to what purpose then? For the fun of saying stupid things on a forum? Really?

So let me say again this part that apparently you missed; I am complaining about the fact that the game is not rewarding enough through hacking and slashing. That's why my friends and I left it.

I am not asking you if I am right or wrong, this is our feeling. Now you are comparing Diablo 2 to Mario, what on earth are you talking about. And you take it to another level by saying I want a drop every minute. Have I ever said that? Have you actually read the constructive criticism that I wrote?

On top of it you're talking now about the new expansion; it's not here yet, you haven't tried it and nowhere have I read that drops of good stuff are going to increase. Once again, I am saying that playing 4 hours with lvl 70 / 80 characters to get rewarded by a level 20 pair of whool shoes and some orbs is not a good feeling to us. Same thing when doing 2 maps +1900%mf and NOTHING good comes out of it.

If you disagree, say I disagree because this and that. Don't come here saying "OMG yawning BS go play Mario", it's not helping reading all you write afterwards.