Israel does it's best to become the most hated nation in the world

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Raycheetah wrote:

Define "intent"? =0[.]o=

Oh, and define "genocide," too, while you're at it.

I don't need your propaganda videos thanks. We can use basic dictionary/wikipedia definitions.

"Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or part of a racial, ethnic, religious or national group via the (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; or (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group".

The US killings met all but the last one of those criteria (and arguably the second to last if you want to argue that Agent Orange wasn't a means of preventing births of healthy children).

"1in·tent noun \in-ˈtent\
: the thing that you plan to do or achieve : an aim or purpose"

If your aim is to bomb a heavily populated civilian area, then by definition you intend to kill those civilians, regardless of your motive. There is no possible way you could twist it.

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MonstaMunch wrote:

If your aim is to bomb a heavily populated civilian area, then by definition you intend to kill those civilians, regardless of your motive. There is no possible way you could twist it.

The civilian area had civilians in the area? Who could have known?!

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Raycheetah wrote:

9 Things You Need To Know About Hamas — Straight From Its Charter

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/22/9-things-you-need-to-know-about-hamas-straight-from-its-charter/?advD=1248,34779

I'll leave it to someone else to find the Israeli version of chartered genocide. And, no, unintended civilian casualties, however tragic, do not count as genocide. If Israel wanted to kill everyone in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, they could do so in short order. Hamas has the will, but not the tools, to do exactly that to the Israelis. ='[.]'=

Sorry man,but this is laughable.It's exactly as posting Zionist and Zion nationalist teaching here-something i avoided during the whole thread,and very conviently all western media.In my case Simply because Jewism and Zionism are 2 seperate thing.And this war is about land,money and power.The fact that the west presents it as purely muslim hate towards Jews and the west,is just convinient.

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Poutsos wrote:

Chomsky but i do beleive that calling an MIT,nobel prize winner a moron and mentally ill is abit extreme.

If anything, Monsta made an understatement. The more Chomsky you read, the more you understand that there is a serious disconnect with reality. As for Nobel prizes, I can see where Al Gore and Obama have one, but I don't see Chomsky listed with one. If you are saying that Chomsky is almost as brilliant a thinker as Al Gore and Obama, I won't disagree too much.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/lists/all/

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MonstaMunch wrote:

"Genocide is the systematic destruction of all or part

If the intent is to remove the group, but only partially succeeds, it would be genocide.


Hence, the Merriam Webster definition is much more accurate:

geno·cide
noun \ˈje-nə-ˌsīd\

: the deliberate killing of people who belong to a particular racial, political, or cultural group
Full Definition of GENOCIDE
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

The methodology might vary (birth control, child abduction etc) but genocide is not an accidental thing.

If it included accidental deaths, than Rachel Carson would be guilty of genocide for the millions of children she helped kill.

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MonstaMunch wrote:

The US killings met all but the last one of those criteria (and arguably the second to last if you want to argue that Agent Orange wasn't a means of preventing births of healthy children).

I don't think the US really bothered to check on the reproductive effects of Agent Orange. They certainly discovered them later on, and are still trying to deny that they exist now.

It has killed some of my family and caused severe birth defects in others.

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MonstaMunch wrote:

"1in·tent noun \in-ˈtent\
: the thing that you plan to do or achieve : an aim or purpose"

If your aim is to bomb a heavily populated civilian area, then by definition you intend to kill those civilians, regardless of your motive. There is no possible way you could twist it.

That the the outcome is predictable doesn't mean it was intended. If a surgeon says there is a 10% chance of death if we proceed, it doesn't mean the intent of the surgeon is to kill the patient.

A portion (couldn't find any hard numbers, but from descriptions it seemed like 1/4 of the attacks) of the Israeli strikes were called off when the civilians were known not to have left the target building. This would explain Hamas' efforts to get civilians to not only stay in place, but climb up on the roof where hopefully they could be seen and the attack called off.

I would say that the civilian deaths were predictable, but I would not say they were intended by the people who planned and authorized each strike.

Whether these people took any joy from the civilian casualties, I don't know.

It's like the dancing in the streets throughout the middle east on Sep 11. The citizens didn't plan the attacks, but they certainly reveled in the misery and deaths.

I wish someone in power had a workable long term solution to bring the violence level to a bare minimum.

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Upandatem wrote:

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MonstaMunch wrote:

If your aim is to bomb a heavily populated civilian area, then by definition you intend to kill those civilians, regardless of your motive. There is no possible way you could twist it.

The civilian area had civilians in the area? Who could have known?!

Do elementary schools in your area of the world have 20 hidden rocket launchers? If they do, the principle is much stricter than any I have ever known.

Show me a way to bomb those launchers without simultaneously bombing the elementary school and then we can talk about unintentional casualties.

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That the the outcome is predictable doesn't mean it was intended. If a surgeon says there is a 10% chance of death if we proceed, it doesn't mean the intent of the surgeon is to kill the patient.

A better analogy might be to rid the patient of a hideous infection by means of amputation. I won't get into whether chopping that leg off is the lesser of evils or not, but let's not kid ourselves by saying it isn't an intentional means to an end.

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DalaiLama wrote:

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Upandatem wrote:

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MonstaMunch wrote:

If your aim is to bomb a heavily populated civilian area, then by definition you intend to kill those civilians, regardless of your motive. There is no possible way you could twist it.

The civilian area had civilians in the area? Who could have known?!

Do elementary schools in your area of the world have 20 hidden rocket launchers? If they do, the principle is much stricter than any I have ever known.

More hypocrisy.

http://palsolidarity.org/2014/07/israeli-military-falsifies-photograph-to-justify-bombing-el-wafa-hospital/

You know I'm not going to read all that, DalaiLama. I take it as you getting a load of shit off your chest, nothing more. Because you have to ask yourself, when you do 'longer' posts -- is every word worth it?

You know the answer to this as well as I regarding your Hadrian of Text.

It's still all retaliation. And has been for a very long time.

Just this once, you've failed your chosen username. I'm sorry.

Ok you denounce Chonsky,but what about Howard Zinn? http://www.jewishjournal.com/bloggish/item/howard_zinn_israel_was_a_mistake_20100311

Or even Albert Einstein? http://www.rense.com/general59/ein.htm

The whole Jewish intelect,seemed to be more sympathetic to palestinians,rather than israel.Charan your snobbery is pretty high,but you know,if you view this as pure retaliation,i m sorry but you are completely clueless.And yeah,i do not have the slighest desire to discuss this with you,as you made clear a few pages before.Dalai's post was much more general muslim bash.If we are to play this game,and even assumer that Jews had every right to occupy the land,then I could just get down and start giving numbers of casualties from 1946 to now,but it is not worth it.

And for the last time,i am not fucking pro Hamas,i do not justidy their actions either.

Edit: Yeah,i was confused about Chomsky,he doesnt have a nobel,i was refering to the Chomsky–Schützenberger theorem,that i had mixed somehow in my mind.It makes sense,they d never give Chomsky a nobel prize.It would be like giving a nobel prize to Che Guevara(not that he wasnt worth of one,but thats a whole other discussion)