I want the old, tougher Rogues back

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iamstryker wrote:

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Avramovic wrote:

OP can speak on his behalf, I absolutely love the new, 'wussified' Rogues. If the drops they give are still white and blue junk, I believe their current strength level is in accordance to the reward they give.

I was thinking the same thing today. The exiles are too easy right now but the rewards they give are at least balanced with their degree of difficulty.

You want super difficult long battle rogue exiles? Ok then they should drop a guarenteed 15-20 rares and have a 25-50% chance of dropping a unique.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

as.

Another thing I want to get off my chest: old Antalie did not have a scary Vaal Burning Arrow, she had a scary Elemental Weakness. That curse was actually just about the only scary thing she was capable of. Overcapped resists utterly trump Elemental Weakness (which, by the way, is bad design) and made her, even in her old form, laughably easy. Very similar situation with Magnus' Flammability, by the way, although that's a little scarier because you can have Flammability and Elemental Weakness stack in certain maps (unlike Antalie). I believe Antalie should switch to either Projectile or Critical Weakness so that the emphasis on overcapped resists is minimized (it's already great for dealing with Elemental Weakness maps) and so that she can actually do threatening things within those EW maps.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

I used to love fights against Minara, Antalie, Igna. (Not Magnus.) Now they've been wussified. I was even keeping a tally of my Igna kills, but now that she's such a pushover it doesn't even seem worth it anymore.

What we had with Rogues right after introducing the Vaal skills was a glorious thing. I loved the Anarchic affix on maps, which not only gave some delicious quantity for a prefix, but also led to this cool on-your-toes gameplay. You'd never know exactly where you'd find the Rogues, and when you did you often had to manage relatively safe fights against normal mobs simultaneously with attacks from a dangerous foe. It made for a divergence from the standard "tank everything" style and gave a greater emphasis on tactical, positional play.

In other words, something like what GGG was trying to do with Invasion. Invasion fails at it; Anarchic succeeded.

It was a hell of a lot of fun. Anarchic was my favorite map affix by far, kind of like Temporal Chains in reverse: instead of making the map less fun and giving you quantity, it made it more fun and gave you quantity. It's too bad I have to use the past tense here.

We deserve more map affixes like that. And we deserve more challenges with transcend typical overgearing and instead focus on tactics.

We deserve the old Rogues, not the new weak ones. Maybe with slightly toned down Vaal skill spam, but in terms of changing their core stats (damage, overall EHP) the recent changes feel like a mistake to me.

Except Magnus. That old Flameblast was insane.

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reboticon wrote:

Did you not see the video of colby taking over 5K damage with 10k armor and 90% fire resist from vaal burning arrow in 75 bazaar?

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reboticon wrote:

Did you not see the video of colby taking over 5K damage with 10k armor and 90% fire resist from vaal burning arrow in 75 bazaar?

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coyl wrote:

If buffed again, rogues should always drop a unique.
As they used to drop a pile of trash, they still do. 10-12 blues, 1-2 rares, that are 99% of time vendor trash.

If there's no reward they are not worth dealing with at all.

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CCR5 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-Vg26VsHhQ

he did have ele weakness on him :^)
but it is the _other_ ele weakness

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johnKeys wrote:

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kasub wrote:

I just came across a rogue exile box earlier(in academy). The exile died before I even saw which exile it was...

let me guess: RF build with insane gear and snapshots?

the Exiles do have less life than they should right now, but what's easy for your char isn't necessarily easy for mere mortals.

I still run from some of them, like Xandro.
nerf that bastard's attack speed and leech.

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No, I didn't.

But I'd bet good money that he didn't have overcapped Fire res. After Antalie's Elemental Weakness (you know, her actually scary skill), I very much doubt he had 90% fire resistance. Probably in the 40% to 60% range; her EW is somewhere near level 20, meaning -50% to all. Hence the huge damage. If his Fire was overcapped by 40% to 50% (130% to 140% stat-sheet in parentheses), she wouldn't have been able to scratch him at all.

People need to stop getting distracted by the loud explosions and pay attention to what's actually going on.