AFK back and notice a big NERF for CI melee attacker on VP

HI GGG
you make some change to Vaal Pact in last big patch
before , no flask , no regen and get 100% leech back instantly
now , still no regen ,get only 40% leech back and can not get from multiaims ,but can use flask now!!

so this change seems not so bad to those base on life characters who use VP ,the leech way to go on not powerful than before ,but flask can be another way to rely on to continue to make up.
but this change to a es base melee attacker is really a big nerf ,ES character also use Goast Reaver ,now only can get 40% back ,but there is no flask to recover you ES ,right ? so ES build really seems have nearly no way to make up

i wonder if the patch about vall pact KEY SKILL POINT is just aimed at nerf ES melee attacker or it is just some unconscious result.

KEY SKILL POINTS are just like the shining brightest stars in your SKY LIKE skill tree to make the whole shine, BLOOD MAGIC lost its light in before patch already ,so will VAAL PACT?

pls say something about this if you see this thread :(
The nerf was aimed directly at CI, because Vaal Pact was just insanely overpowered. As CI, it is relatively easy to achieve around 30% ish physical life leech, because you get 10% free from blood rage, and than have other sources of life leech.
Now, maybe you will have to consider reflect when you make your build? :O
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Reflect still isnt a problem
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Midnightgem wrote:
The nerf was aimed directly at CI, because Vaal Pact was just insanely overpowered. As CI, it is relatively easy to achieve around 30% ish physical life leech, because you get 10% free from blood rage, and than have other sources of life leech.
Now, maybe you will have to consider reflect when you make your build? :O


There are plenty of things that are more OP/broken than Vaal Pact was. And yeah, CI/GR/VP melee is still viable to a point, but it's definitely not a top tier spec anymore, maybe not even 2nd tier.

This was just a dumb and unnecessary nerf by GGG so that they could introduce the Atziri's Acuity gloves as a BiS item.
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Last edited by tackle70 on Apr 19, 2014, 7:46:42 AM
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tackle70 wrote:


This was just a dumb and unnecessary nerf by GGG so that they could introduce the Atziri's Acuity gloves as a BiS item.

They would have been BiS regardless of the nerf
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bo7like wrote:
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tackle70 wrote:


This was just a dumb and unnecessary nerf by GGG so that they could introduce the Atziri's Acuity gloves as a BiS item.

They would have been BiS regardless of the nerf


Only for a build that was so far away from VP that they couldn't get to it on the tree. I'm personally convinced that those gloves are the reason for the nerf. Obviously GGG has been silent about this one, so that's just speculation. But it makes sense to me.
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It needed the nerf, first of all. Second, you can use the unique Claw that has the Legacy Vaal Pact.

Third, those gloves also leech mana instantly, allowing things like Elemental Hit / Frenzy / Cyclone spam.
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CantripN wrote:
It needed the nerf, first of all. Second, you can use the unique Claw that has the Legacy Vaal Pact.

Third, those gloves also leech mana instantly, allowing things like Elemental Hit / Frenzy / Cyclone spam.


There are a lot of things that "need nerfing" if you think CI/GR/VP "needed" a nerf.

It's not like there were a bunch of broken OP builds running around with CI/GR/VP.... the builds that are OP using Vaal Pact are basically always OP because of other mechanics (e.g. low life RF or spectral throw builds using 6L shavs & Crown of Eyes)... VP was not the problem.

Any Vaal Pact build that was OP before the Vaal Pact nerf is still going to be OP, it might just have to use a little less DPS now.
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tackle70 wrote:
It's not like there were a bunch of broken OP builds running around with CI/GR/VP.... the builds that are OP using Vaal Pact are basically always OP because of other mechanics (e.g. low life RF or spectral throw builds using 6L shavs & Crown of Eyes)... VP was not the problem.

You're thinking a little too narrow. VP is not the problem for OP builds specifically, but for Leech in general. If you had GR, you went VP because it made you a ton more effective. No Life flasks? Lol who cares. No ES Regen? It still replenishes naturally anyways.
By reducing Leech Effectiveness, VP actually becomes a trade-off. You need to stack more Leech to actually make it effective, because you flat-out Leech less.

Ultimately though, the problem is GR, not VP.
leech doesnt stack any more, meaning if you are not vaal pact and you attack fast you probably lose 80%+ of your leech, it was nerfed because leech was nerfed in an even bigger fashion and in a way that vaal pact gets around by being instant. If they didnt nerf it then it would be ridiculously over powered.

ci doesnt need vaal pact, its like IR, US, RT etc, people think they need it because they got in a habit of always using it. Spend the points getting more deeps and heeps, fuck going on a mission for vp.

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