My last feedback
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It's been quite a while that I've been around, almost 3 years now, but I guess it's finally time to call it a day, or at least take a very prolonged break from this game. I'm sitting at lvl 78 in Invasion with absolutely no will and incentive to continue forward or to reroll for the nth time.
I've given a lot of feeback during this time, mostly about the drop rates and unrewarding gameplay. I've been very vocal about my dissatisfaction with the current state of the game, which even got me kicked out of my guild. I don't feel I've accomplished much by giving all this feedback, but as a PoE beta player, giving feedback was something you just do. Recently, I had a chance to guide a completely new player through game, which I already summed up here. To make another summary of that, If you'd ask me if I'd recommend PoE to any of my friends, the answer would sadly be no. No matter how briliant it can be at times, it's just not worth the time and efforts. As I correctly predicted, my friend got fed up somewhere late Cruel due to unrewarding gameplay, with a total of 0 out of 237 uniques that dropped for him during our run. I'll just empasize that again – during our slow and methodical run through Normal and Cruel, we got exactly 0 uniques that could be considered as upgrades at that point and that would incite a 'wow that's a nice item' feeling. Also, almost no rares that were better than the junk I collected with my previous character on Ambush. I think for a long time both CB players and GGG had the same destination and knew the way how to get there. But during all this time, something changed. We continued with our planned route, but GGG went sidetracking. And their sidetracking has recently culminated in a string of bad decisions, starting with lackluster new additions to the game, bad balancing, content gating, RNG upon RNG, non-existant Q&A, killing of alpha realm, MMO raid like quests in hack'n'slash and so on...It makes me sad because the game has/had immense potential and can be briliant at times, but all in all it's not quite there where it should have been. I really don't mind the money I spent on this game, I'm glad I did and I hope GGG put it to good use, but I do feel I've wasted my time playing the game these few years. And I think PoE is actually the only game I would say that about. I'm fairly unhappy with my achievements in this game, regarding the amount of content that I experienced and number of fun builds that I had a chance to experiment with. A lot of builds are tied to uniques and hence are out of reach, or at least they were for me. I am at a point where I see a cool unique like Mjolnir and just think to myself, what's the point, it's not like you'll ever get it. I'll just end it with a list of uniques that dropped for me in these 3 years, and list of uniques that didn't drop. I think it speaks for itself regarding the drop rates and what kind of builds I could try. I'd say I consider only one of my 20ish characters to be really pushed to the end - concept, gear and skill wise. Anyways, best of luck to GGG, I hope you have a lot of success in your careers, and hopefully one day there's going to be 'Significantly increased drop rates of Unique items' in the patch notes, which would be reason enough for me to give it another go. To my ex-guildes, you're ok dudes, except the guy who kicked me out. That shit hurt, you know...
Uniques that dropped - 109
The Anvil
Araku Tiki Astramentis Carnage Heart Daresso's Salute The Ignomon Karui Ward Sidhebreath Stone of Lazhwar The Magnate Perandus Blazon Sunblast Wurm's Molt Andvarius Blackheart Doedre's Damning Kaom's Sign Blackgleam Broadstroke Ambu's Charge Bramblejack Briskwrap Cloak of Flame The Covenant Foxshade Icetomb Infernal Mantle Lightbane Raiment Thousand Ribbons Voll's Protector Zahndethus' Cassock Bones of Ullr Darkray Vectors Deerstalker Goldwyrm Lioneye's Paws Ondar's Flight Rainbowstride Shavronne's Pace Sin Trek Sundance Wanderlust Wondertrap Asenath's Gentle Touch Aurseize Meginord's Vise Doedre's Tenure Facebreaker Hrimsorrow Lochtonial Caress Ondar's Clasp Sadima's Touch Slitherpinch Asenath's Mark Crown of Thorns Deidbell Ezomyte Peak Fairgraves' Tricorne Geofri's Crest Goldrim Heatshiver Honourhome Hrimnor's Resolve Mindspiral The Peregrine Chernobog's Pillar Crest of Perandus Kaltenhalt Rathpith Globe Rise of the Phoenix Saffell's Frame Springleaf Titucius' Span The Screaming Eagle Kaom's Primacy Limbsplit Reaper's Pursuit Wideswing Chin Sol Darkscorn Death's Harp Quill Rain Silverbranch Storm Cloud Al Dhih Essentia Sanguis Last Resort Mightflay Ungil's Gauche The Supreme Truth Geofri's Baptism Hrimnor's Hymn Voidhome Aurumvorax Prismatic Eclipse Redbeak Queen's Decree Rigvald's Charge Shiversting Dying Breath Pillar of the Caged God The Searing Touch Moonsorrow Acton's Nightmare The Coward's Trial Maelström of Chaos Poorjoy's Asylum Vaults of Atziri Voideye
Uniques that didn't drop - 122
Atziri's Foible
Eye of Chayula Marylene's Fallacy Victario's Acuity Voll's Devotion Auxium Doryani's Invitation Headhunter Immortal Flesh Meginord's Girdle Berek's Grip Berek's Pass Berek's Respite Death Rush Dream Fragments Gifts from Above Le Heup of All Lori's Lantern Ming's Heart Perandus Signet Romira's Banquet Shavronne's Revelation The Taming Thief's Torment Drillneck Hyrri's Bite Rearguard Ashrend Belly of the Beast Bronn's Lithe Carcass Jack Cloak of Defiance Daresso's Defiance Death's Oath Hyrri's Ire Incandescent Heart Kaom's Heart Lightning Coil Queen of the Forest Shavronne's Wrappings Solaris Lorica Soul Mantle Tabula Rasa Vis Mortis Alberon's Warpath Atziri's Step The Blood Dance Dusktoe Wake of Destruction Windscream Atziri's Acuity Voidbringer Maligaro's Virtuosity Shackles of the Wretched Snakebite Thunderfist Vaal Caress Abyssus Alpha's Howl The Bringer of Rain Chitus' Apex Crown of Eyes Devoto's Devotion The Gull Leer Cast Malachai's Simula Rat's Nest Rime Gaze Skullhead Starkonja's Head The Three Dragons Veil of the Night The Vertex Aegis Aurora Atziri's Mirror Daresso's Courage Lioneye's Remorse Matua Tupuna Prism Guardian Wheel of the Stormsail Soul Taker Dyadus Atziri's Disfavour The Blood Reaper Wings of Entropy Infractem Lioneye's Glare Voltaxic Rift Windripper Bloodseeker Cybil's Paw Mortem Morsu Bino's Kitchen Knife Divinarius Heartbreaker Brightbeak Doon Cuebiyari Mjölner Mon'tregul's Grasp Nycta's Lantern Doryani's Catalyst Chober Chaber Kongor's Undying Rage Marohi Erqi Quecholli Ephemeral Edge The Goddess Bound Rebuke of the Vaal Oro's Sacrifice Terminus Est Fencoil Taryn's Shiver Lifesprig Midnight Bargain Void Battery Atziri's Promise Blood of the Karui Divination Distillate Doedre's Elixir Lavianga's Spirit Mao Kun Olmec's Sanctum
Exalts and Eternals dropped
5-6 Exalts 0 Eternals Oh yeah, about my last feedback...'Significantly (and I mean SIGNIFICANTLY) increase drop rates of Unique items'. „I don't give a fuck if it was his tenth anniversary with his goddamn neckbeard...“
„If they think I'm going to let them sweep this pizza guy thing under the rug...“ No mod action. Business as usual. This thread has been automatically archived. Replies are disabled.
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" I can definitly relate to the bolded part. It really saps your will to play when you realize that there are lots of cool builds out there, but you wont ever be able to play any of them, unless you trade/flip. I guess its trade or GTFO. I've only been playing since the start of OB so its been about a year for me, and my list of uniques found is much much shorter than yours. Your list is like a window into the future for me, If I were to continue playing I might eventually achieve that impressive list of mostly useless unique items(lol). Sacrifice of the Vaal was the nail in the coffin for me. I was looking forward to new content, and instead we get more RNG and an uber boss that I'll never even see. GGG needs to stop listening to streamers and get back in touch with the majority of people who play their game. Last edited by Mephasm on Apr 17, 2014, 4:25:11 PM
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" I have to agree. I literally would never recommend this game to anyone and I would further conjecture that literally all the players who actually play the game for long periods (non-streamer/rmt/trade barons) probably have something wrong with them that allows them to do it where 90% of people would logically stop playing (I'm autistic). I've actually gotten so fed up with GGG's poor balancing I've stopped making characters that attempt to survive at all and go full glass cannon and just necro through content. And drops are literally a joke. Uniques need to be greatly increased and non-unique item quality has to be increased. And the way most monsters deal damage is far too binary it's ridiculous. You either lolfaceroll or get killed in less than a second. But what can you do. I mean I still like it obviously but there are so many obviously bad facepalm decisions that it just makes me wonder who the hell could ok some of this stuff. Also MF and CoC has to be removed from the game. They are soo far off balance there is no fixing it. |
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" I totally agree....the game is so unrewarding and thus pretty fast pretty boring once u reach the higher levels AND also very boring in the beginning cuz when u start the game the skills feel clunky and tedious to use and very ineffective and no support gems....ah well...funpart for me was usually between lvl 33 to maximum 70. I will buy Grim Dawn or try Reaper of Souls. PoE feels too much like I have another job besides the real life one. “Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it.” ― Christopher Hitchens My QoL List: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3279646 Last edited by Antigegner on Apr 17, 2014, 10:35:49 PM
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" I would recommend the normal difficulty to anyone. The game holds up very well for that part, the gameplay is spot on, the passive tree is brilliantly designed, the music and the graphics are very good as well. It definitely deserves to be played. After that, the game falls apart. As soon as you revisit content, the game gets to rely on an item and loot system that is out of control and does what it wants to. I don't think it was even designed, it just happened. It was seemingly concieved solely from ideas of economic theory and not with purposeful design, player psychology and reward in mind. Economic systems regulate themselves to a great degree. Reward systems however are engineered products that rely on psychological groundwork that is disconnected from rationality. They rely on classical and operational conditioning to work. They connect to deep desires of players. They are not a market. The game pays for this oversight dearly later on. A lot of things come together that makes the game basically impossible to balance in the late game. Or to make it fun. I don't actually want to use the word balance here. There is this notion here that everything can (and should) be balanced, that there is a golden middle ground, a butter zone where it's just right and fun. That's not the case. If you have a badly designed system, the golden middle inherits the worst of both worlds and none of the good traits. Like a Venn diagram where two circles don't even intersect. You are in the middle of nowhere. Then what are you going to do? You can balance tweak bad mechanics all you want, your levers won't do anything. A well designed game doesn't need that much balancing, it will work regardless, especially if players are having a good time. Players are forgiving if they are having a blast. It's okay for a game to have difficult and easy parts. D2's difficulty curve looked like a tour de france height map. Nightmare difficulty was easier than normal difficulty. No one cared. This high focus on balancing points to deeper issues. I wouldn't call for balancing but rather for a teleological examination of what the various systems in POE do and how they turned out. What is rewarded and what role does this put the player in? Is that a role the player wants to be in? What is the purpose of these systems and how is that achieved? What were the consequences of previous balance decisions and how did players respond? And how did we respond to these responses? |
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Interesting, some of those unique you haven't found are rather common. I myself did something similar to this. While my list of found unique is longer, I still have never found a midnight bargain. Probably want one just because of how popular they were in CB.
One of the things I've been asking them to do lately is re balance the rarity of quite a few unique. Some are way rarer than their power level necessitates. | |
" As Blizzard discovered with Diablo II, it's futile to attempt to counterbalance the power level of Uniques by manipulating their rarity (i.e. drop rates). If the demand for an item is high enough, botters will farm as long as it takes to obtain it in quantity. The rarity of the item has only a secondary effect on its market value. Its buyout price is primarily determined by its popularity, limited only by what the market will bear. Last edited by RogueMage on Apr 17, 2014, 11:40:44 PM
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I'm well aware of that. I have no problem with more powerful items being rarer. As long as their downside isn't *rare*.
Currently, some unique shouldn't be as rare as they are. Especially since newer unique have come out. Further, the fact that some powerful unique like lightning coil aren't rare baffles me | |
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balancing by rarity is the easiest and least effective way of doing it
but it allows for 'but it is rare, you have to work for it', 'you are not entitled to best gear' and 'if ive worked my ass for 1000 hours for this item it better be powerful' type of defense | |
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It should not be balanced by rarity. This is correct. But I don't personally find a problem with high power level, balanced uniques, being rare.
Last edited by SL4Y3R on Apr 18, 2014, 1:37:11 AM
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