A proper new permanent league: Purity

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Crackmonster wrote:

I suggest a simple league for those who want a true permanent league that is not a dumpster or has things that were deemed to be bad for the game.


The downfall of standard league:

We have standard, which is a permanent league where all things are dumped into and eventually ends up unless left unused in hardcore. Standard is the place where overpowered versions of items that were deemed bad for the game overall are left.

The funny thing about that league is that some of those who earn the most, and so have a lot of economic power there, are those who play the new leagues due to soon-to-be legacy items only available in those leagues. The dumping of currency into standard by those who do not play there inflate the prices for everyone else making their time spent less worthwhile.

In other words, standard is not treated with the full respect that newer leagues are shown, there is no permanent league that is fully respected as a choice in itself. If you want to build your character for years you are forced to play in the dumpster. The damage is done in standard, items flood that have been eternalled to perfection, mirrored versions are abound and legacy gear, including legacy IIQ gear, means that players who are new to PoE and want to play permanent leagues are fighting uphill, even upmountain. The damage is done, standard is wrecked.

Therefore, i suggest a league called purity, or similar, the name is not really that important.


The purity league:

No Eternal Orbs
No Mirrors
No legacy items (items are updated or removed)
No other league dumps their items here (the league belongs only to those who play it)

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When you play hardcore, everyone know that when you die your character can no longer be played there. In purity the thing you must know is that you risk losing legacy items when they are deemed bad for the game. Simple as that.

Some examples:

- When shields could no longer roll the highest ES mod, the values on existing rares should be updated to reflect that.
- When kaoms was nerfed, every kaoms should have been updated to a randomly rolled new version.
- When items were boosted, they should all be upgraded to randomly rolled new versions
- When IIQ is removed, all IIQ gems should be deleted or converted into another red gem.
- When IIQ is removed, all rares should have the affix removed or simply be deleted.

It is paramount to the long term attractiveness of a league, that there are no legacy items creating barriers for new players to be competitive. The more time passes, the more disadvantaged new players will be, a disadvantage that will not only be proportional to their time spent but also depend on how much of that time they spent in earlier versions of PoE.


Reasoning behind eternal and mirror removal:

The goal is long term item diversity, and league longevity. Mirrors mean that items above a certain grade of perfection are best mirrored. For the good items we sometimes see 10-20+ mirrored versions, and everyone runs around with the exact same item instead of currency being used to craft new items.

Eternal orbs discourage use of exalted orbs on gear. Before eternals, exalted orbs were used on whatever gear had very good rolls and there was nothing you could have done better, you simply should go ahead and use them with no regrets. After eternal orbs you should rather hoard your exalted orbs since you will be ineffectively crafting without having eternals to roll good stuff.

Mirrors and Eternals also greatly depreciate the value of finding a great and rarely rolled item, and diminishes the satisfaction of yolo exalting your way to a great item, since they make it easier to acquire extremely rare items, which is also the reason why removing them will give the league longevity. Without eternals there is also a greater demand for high ilvl base items, exaltable rare items, regals and chaos orbs to be used for crafting. It diversifies the itemization and the use of orbs will become more widespread.

Furthermore, mirrors create barriers of entry into the crafting market, you will forever be extremely disadvantaged. The reason is that those who got the earliest top items are now getting ahead by mirror fees, and can keep crafting at a greater pace, projecting themselves even further ahead and making it almost impossible to catch up with them. Without mirrors, they will only gain what their items sell for, just like any other player. It will be a more competitive market.


Standard still has a purpose:

Standard is the overpowered dumpster where overpowered legacy items allow players to massacre a broken game if that is more to their liking. It is also a place that players of new leagues can go to play old characters with legacy items and relive experiences that would not otherwise be possible.

I am convinced there are many standard players who would prefer to remain in standard rather than play in purity, just as there are many who would rather play in purity. I think there is a real demand for a pure long term league, as the only baseline permanent non-hardcore league is already broken, and with its direction that will not change. Many many players consider eternals and mirrors to have ruined the long term leagues, and they wish to play in an environment without them.

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Maxlvl wrote:

i would not want standard to become purity. that would defeat the whole point.

the people playing in standard made their choice to devote their time to that, if they are happy they can stay there. personally i wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

i would not mind paying for access to purity league.

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koez wrote:

stop taken so much pride in your self like you are somthing special for the effort u put into the game.

legacy items do nothen to any ones game if they make it so


this whole if i cant have it no one can bs is ridic, all this maken up your own competition in your head crap is sickening you are no body,and will always be no body and same goes for every one else


if you didnt know about legacy items none of this would matter you just want some kind of acknowledgment that you are dedicated player sry not every one is a winner.

if your a self found player prove it go play and dont trade


any new permanet league would make content in game even longer to balance and would slow down patches that said enough nty



if you were rly dedicated to this u would make up your own website that tracked players following these guidline to your league idea. but you and all others like you dont because your selfish and lazy instead u all post after post after post continue to post your ideas that devs alrdy said no too

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ozram wrote:

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koez wrote:

stop taken so much pride in your self like you are somthing special for the effort u put into the game.

legacy items do nothen to any ones game if they make it so


this whole if i cant have it no one can bs is ridic, all this maken up your own competition in your head crap is sickening you are no body,and will always be no body and same goes for every one else


if you didnt know about legacy items none of this would matter you just want some kind of acknowledgment that you are dedicated player sry not every one is a winner.

if your a self found player prove it go play and dont trade


any new permanet league would make content in game even longer to balance and would slow down patches that said enough nty



if you were rly dedicated to this u would make up your own website that tracked players following these guidline to your league idea. but you and all others like you dont because your selfish and lazy instead u all post after post after post continue to post your ideas that devs alrdy said no too

Ehm. Did you actually read what you wrote right there?
You sound like an 8yr old: Actually looking down on people without Legacy Items, and trying to downplay the issue. While having nothing else to show than being extremely "proud" of your legacies. Almost hiding behind them. Making sure no one takes them away from you. Because it is the only thing you have to actually believe you have some sort of "skill" in a videogame.

"you are no body,and will always be no body and same goes for every one else"

What kind of attitude is that? Look at how desperately you cling to that little legacy-bubble of yours. You only define yourself and others over game-progress. Without any respect whatsoever. Because you are clearly unempathic or otherwise challenged.

The truth is: It actually does have an impact on other players. If you measure success/skill in the game by gear or wealth and progress. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks that way. After all, what else is there to do in POE? Other than, farming.. trading and improving your builds and gear? It's an ARPG after all.

The OP is perfectly right: Legacy Items create an economic and competitive imbalance.
Do you want to know why? So that it finally makes some sense in that little head of yours?

It is because even in a game, players want to make some progress. Be it economic or skill-wise. In a balanced game economy... you can measure or compare each others "achievements" or progress by how well people played, farmed AND traded. This would normally mean: Dealing and trading at the right price... at the right time, with the right amount of skill and experience.

Now what happens if that "time".. is actually in the past. And there is no way to bring it back.. at all. No matter how good you are at the game or in trading?

It basically means that little scrubs like you could buy 10 kaoms pre-legacy. And made a profit of like 1000%. Without any game-related logic whatsoever. Just because GGG failed to make the right decision. Nothing more.. nothing less.

They should have left the legacy items alone. And possibly created a new league, with Non-Legacies only. I would rather prefer to have "imbalanced" legacies.. over a completely messed up and distorted economy. Where people just took massive advantage. And new players, or people who have not played during all those changes. Are being massively kicked in the balls by GGG.

This is a PVE game anyway. Who the hell cares if Legacies are not perfect. At least the economic picture and gameplay situation would not have been completely destroyed for 90% of the playerbase.

It doesn't affect other players, if everyone can use the same, broken legacies. There is no PVP here anyway. But it sure as hell affects other players, if they cannot reach a comparable progress level, without playing up to 100 times longer than players before them.

You basically created an amazing economy. Which prevents inflation. And then you destroyed it all... with decisions, where players have to play 100 times longer. As if an exalt, was actually only worth 1/100th of an exalt.

How is that balanced? How does that not completely undermine GGG's entire effort to create a stable economy?

Not to mention new players, with exponential, competitive disadvantages for not being in the game before they actually were. Good luck gearing up your IIQ/IIR, Nubs!

Terrible decision @ GGG.