A proper new permanent league: Purity

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Crackmonster wrote:
I Will Not play dumpster league, and i will not play the short league. I simply don't achieve what i want by playing alone or with a friend in the short leagues, even if we know what we are doing and we farm most of our time.

If your only real offer for fully respected play modes is 4 months leagues, or races, then I will not play. Simple as that.

Deal with it as you find appropriate, i am an rpg player that plays my character for ages, i am not some halfway counterstrike player that loves to restart all over again all the time.


Then youre playing the wrong game, nothing wrong with that. Dont expect game devs to cater specifically to the 10% of players who want what you want. Just play something else, there gotta be something out there that suits you more.
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Crackmonster wrote:
I Will Not play dumpster league, and i will not play the short league. I simply don't achieve what i want by playing alone or with a friend in the short leagues, even if we know what we are doing and we farm most of our time.

If your only real offer for fully respected play modes is 4 months leagues, or races, then I will not play. Simple as that.

Deal with it as you find appropriate, i am an rpg player that plays my character for ages, i am not some halfway counterstrike player that loves to restart all over again all the time.


Then youre playing the wrong game, nothing wrong with that. Dont expect game devs to cater specifically to the 10% of players who want what you want. Just play something else, there gotta be something out there that suits you more.


This game of all games is the game with long term in mind. You add exactly nothing with that comment just as i don't add with this, next time don't post useless things like implying: "then leave". No one has any use for such garbage and you know it if you think about it just a bit, it's called self-reflection - you should try it bro.

Everyone should express how they feel, let the devs decide what they care about, no one really gives a flying fuck what you think adding trash posts like that. If you have something meaningful to say we can talk, but you rarely do so goodbye.
I am the light of the morning and the shadow on the wall, I am nothing and I am all.
Last edited by Crackmonster on Mar 21, 2014, 7:50:53 AM
I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with the OP, and I kind of like the idea of a purity league where legacy isn't allowed, where changes to items or affixes are permanent and implemented immediately. I'm not sure I'd ever play it, because I also like the idea of busting my ass to be able to afford a legacy item. At least, a legacy unique. I think IIQ going legacy was, quite frankly, idiotic. But that's just personal opinion (keep in mind I'm a long-standing player with a lot of IIQ gear stored away, and I STILL think it was a ridiculous decision).

When I bought my 5L Legacy Shav's Wrappings, DAMN did it feel good. Even better when I 6L'd it and became the proud owner of such.

That said, there is some measure of truth to standard being a bit of a dumpster league, and I think the OP has a valid consideration to be made.

However: GGG is on record saying something to the effect of this (sorry, can't find the post quickly with the direct quote):

"Powerful legacy items are a core feature of the game."

Now whether that's an intended development consideration or simply because it'd be difficult and ill-advised to shut down the game for hours to be able to roll out a wholesale change across all accounts... I have no idea.

But regardless, it's never going to change. And I'm okay with that.


EDIT: I'd kind of like to see a purely self-found hardcore league. No trades allowed except for currency to craft your own items. See who comes out on top then.
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Last edited by Serleth on Mar 21, 2014, 3:38:00 PM
I support this idea.
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Standard is the place where overpowered versions of items that were deemed bad for the game overall are left.


Phase Run says hello.

If anything truly game breaking or overpowered was bad for the game, they would have actually removed it. Why remove Phase Run and leave a legacy item that supposedly breaks the game to only a few players' opinions? Hmm.

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The funny thing about that league is that some of those who earn the most, and so have a lot of economic power there...


"Economic Power"? Could you explain what you mean by this?

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In other words, standard is not treated with the full respect that newer leagues are shown, there is no permanent league that is fully respected as a choice in itself. If you want to build your character for years you are forced to play in the dumpster. The damage is done in standard, items flood that have been eternalled to perfection, mirrored versions are abound and legacy gear, including legacy IIQ gear, means that players who are new to PoE and want to play permanent leagues are fighting uphill, even upmountain. The damage is done, standard is wrecked.


I'm playing in standard and...I'm still playing in standard? Standard and desync are the same. A bunch of whiners flood the forums, bullshit about how "bad" they are, and then call everyone that says they aren't either a fanboy or a troll.

If standard was half as bad as everyone says it is, would anyone really be playing it?

Spoiler
No, they wouldn't.

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Serleth wrote:
I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with the OP, and I kind of like the idea of a purity league where legacy isn't allowed, where changes to items or affixes are permanent and implemented immediately. I'm not sure I'd ever play it, because I also like the idea of busting my ass to be able to afford a legacy item. At least, a legacy unique. I think IIQ going legacy was, quite frankly, idiotic. But that's just personal opinion (keep in mind I'm a long-standing player with a lot of IIQ gear stored away, and I STILL think it was a ridiculous decision).

When I bought my 5L Legacy Shav's Wrappings, DAMN did it feel good. Even better when I 6L'd it and became the proud owner of such.

That said, there is some measure of truth to standard being a bit of a dumpster league, and I think the OP has a valid consideration to be made.

However: GGG is on record saying something to the effect of this (sorry, can't find the post quickly with the direct quote):

"Powerful legacy items are a core feature of the game."

Now whether that's an intended development consideration or simply because it'd be difficult and ill-advised to shut down the game for hours to be able to roll out a wholesale change across all accounts... I have no idea.

But regardless, it's never going to change. And I'm okay with that.


EDIT: I'd kind of like to see a purely self-found hardcore league. No trades allowed except for currency to craft your own items. See who comes out on top then.


Funny, I made this exact same thread awhile back

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/887809

handing all your currency over to the item mafia for something that you have zero chance to find yourself for an insane prices sounds like oh so much fun.

what kind of shitty design choice is that? no wonder everyone bought ROS.

And saying that the purity league will eventually be just as broken as standard with time is also BS. The reason that standard is such a cesspool in the first place is because of the things that the OP says he wants to get rid of.

as a noob playing the game i was like wow, this is great, they got so many things right. then i went to the trade chat and see all this BS about "mirror service", duped legacy items, mirrors, etc. it was like NEVERMIND, FAIL GAME, DO NOT WANT.

my conclusion is that POE is only played by two types of people. the item mafia and the real money idiots who are too stupid to see what's really going on.

-waiting for this league to be made so i can play
I actually like this idea, although if you were to make one perfect league, I would add:

Characters can be created with self-found flag - all items allocated/obtained by a self-found character can only be used/traded by self-found characters on same account

Characters can be created with hard-core flag - death = lost of character and inventory (no dumpster league)

Characters can be created with cut-throat flag - can attack or be attacked by other cut-throat characters (maybe within a certain level limit); death = drop all items on the ground

These aren't mutually exclusive, so imaging a hard-core, self-found, cut-throat character. :)

Also add filters to the ladder page so we can sort and filter the ladder by the desired flags.
Last edited by Dregos on Apr 21, 2014, 7:59:06 PM
I completely agree with a Purity League.

But would it be fair on the players in Standard?
You'd be forcing them to start over as well, no?

Would there be any sort of transfering from Standard to Purity - even if with several restrictions - possible?

It's a tough call.

I would prefer Standard to BECOME Purity.

All items that have a new version should be updated.
The whole concept of Legacy Items should be removed from the game.

However, I think it's fine for Standard to be the "dumpster", as long as everyone has a fair "chance" at competing for the "trash".
What I mean is - there's nothing wrong with the "side leagues" pouring gear into Standard.

There are only two major problems:
- Legacy (overpowered) items
- Extreme casino design philosophy behind the whole crafting of PoE
Eternal Orbs are bullshit - players should have more control overall over the results of crafting, through item/gem/orb sinks - not encouraging you to insist on the damn casino...
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Last edited by Nurvus on Apr 21, 2014, 8:37:18 PM
i would not want standard to become purity. that would defeat the whole point.

the people playing in standard made their choice to devote their time to that, if they are happy they can stay there. personally i wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

i would not mind paying for access to purity league.
I would come back to play a new permanent HC league that has no unnerfed legacy items ever. Dumpster league is dumpster league.

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