Bandit quests and kaoms heart.
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Is it still worth the oak reward if one has kaoms heart?
Or is the extra 4 skill points a better option? Last edited by SL4Y3R on Dec 20, 2012, 1:37:41 PM
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I would still go with the extra 180 base life with Kaom's Heart. The more life the merrier I say. Plus it's more multiplicative than those 4 skill points would do. If a build needs those 4 extra skill points, then I would think it's not an efficient build. Just my 2 cents.
Once more into the fray, Into the last good fight I'll ever know, Live and die on this day, Live and die on this day IGN: Mastodon_The_Primeval
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I'm more going off the premise of those extra skill points can grab more HP nodes. Or w/e have you. Since one would have tons of base HP, is more life nodes/more nodes in general, "better" than more base?
EDIT: Yes the 180 HP is more multiplicative when having max 99 HP per gear slot (besides rings/belt), but when one person has 1k HP on one item, is it still worth it? Last edited by SL4Y3R on Dec 20, 2012, 3:18:43 PM
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Well it will depend on:
You Base Life (flat additional life nodes, equipment, etc), Additional Life From Nodes (%) and What you can do with those 4 Passives. In some cases the 180 LIFE from oak will be better and in some cases the 4 additional passives will be better. Here you have some numbers: "Base Life"= 1500 "Add Life% From Nodes"= 130% "Oak Quest Only"= 180 "Total Life w/ Oak Quest"= 3864 "Passives (Four 8% Life)"= 32% "Total Life w/ Passives"= 3930 In this case you gain more life if you take Four 8% Life Passive Nodes. In general, taking the 4 nodes of 8% life, will be better, if you have More Base Life and Less Life % From Passives, and taking the 180 additional life from Oak will be better, if you have Less Base Life and More Life % From Passives. Anyways, you should make the math for your build, before than making the choice, you just have to know your Base Life, Your Life % From Nodes and What you can do with those 4 Passives. "The harder the game, the better." Last edited by Vold316 on Dec 20, 2012, 4:24:24 PM
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I have often wondered this myself. I think that if those 4 points will get you exactly 4 more 8% hp nodes (the last 4 of your "max" build), then the skill points would be worth it. However, if you have to spend nodes traversing to the extra hp nodes, then it probably is worth it to just get the 45hp. As Chris mentioned in the Q/A with Kripp, though, the bandit rewards will change come OB. I decided to wait until those numbers are finalized before I put anymore energy into crunching the current numbers.
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Problem is, it's kinda hard to know my base life... lol That number, even with planning in the 1k auto from kaoms, can still very greatly depending on gear I have and will be able to obtain.
Thx though Void, I think i'll just keep killing him then. I kept going back and forth with it, trying to see how high I can have my HP regen get to for fun. Basically, one can get all HP nodes/Regen nodes in surrounding areas + some end charges right at the time I would be able to wear Kaoms. This is with killing Oak. | |
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Using a typical BM GS Marauder build
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http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgEBBS0OPA6tD8wUIBRSGJEY2xkuG_ohYCXfJ9Un7Si1KaUyCTpSQKBBP0OcR35KfVBHUFBR5lRJValWBFcNWGNbr10AXz9gS2CIYSFhUmVNZ6ByqXTtdPF673zZhNmE74Zgh2qHdozPkGyXtJ65ns2fy6QZpmSnMKmUq8Wsqqy6tC-53cRYxtjJmNIh1I_ZYd0N37_nUu8O707yL_Pd9kj3vvzF
the numbers below should be somewhat accurate. W/O Kaom's and not helping Oak Strength 30 (Beginning) + 290 (Passives) = 320 = 160 Base Life Base Life 50 (Beginning) + 420 (LVL 70) + 30 (Passives) + 793 (Gear) = 1293 + 160 = 1453 Life % 179% (Passives) Total Life 4053 W/O Kaom's and helping Oak Strength 30 (Beginning) + 290 (Passives) = 320 = 160 Base Life Base Life 50 (Beginning) + 420 (LVL 70) + 30 (Passives) + 793 (Gear) + 180 (Oak) = 1473 + 160 = 1633 Life % 147% (Passives) Total Life 4033 With Kaom's and helping Oak Strength 30 (Beginning) + 290 (Passives) = 320 = 160 Base Life Base Life 50 (Beginning) + 420 (LVL 70) + 30 (Passives) + 1793 (Gear) + 180 (Oak) = 2473 + 160 = 2633 Life % 147% (Passives) Total Life 6503 With Kaom's and not helping Oak Strength 30 (Beginning) + 290 (Passives) = 320 = 160 Base Life Base Life 50 (Beginning) + 420 (LVL 70) + 30 (Passives) + 1793 (Gear) = 2293 + 160 = 2453 Life % 179% (Passives) Total Life 6843 With Kaom's Heart you get more life if you don't help Oak, but can put those four points into +8% max life nodes. Using the typical BM GS Marauder build, you can't put those 4 points into +% max life nodes. This is based off of a level 70 build. Based off of the above, with more levels and +% max life nodes, you should be getting more max life compared to helping Oak. Again, I could be completely bass ackward with my math, but I think it's close. Once more into the fray, Into the last good fight I'll ever know, Live and die on this day, Live and die on this day IGN: Mastodon_The_Primeval Last edited by Primeval_Mastodon on Dec 20, 2012, 4:12:53 PM
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Yeah, my build is WAY different than that.
Ill post what I'm thinking in a little bit. ( on phone now). Basically, heading north to templar for those, duelist area, and center. As well as some random nodes along the way. I also have a Erqi for this build. Should be funny. Last edited by SL4Y3R on Dec 20, 2012, 4:02:15 PM
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" There is something wrong in there, the first one is Helping Oak, the second one is NOT helping oak. //Edit: Fixed i can see. "The harder the game, the better." Last edited by Vold316 on Dec 20, 2012, 4:17:14 PM
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Yeah, each build will be different for sure. I've found that the one I linked to be the most stable and efficient. 4k+ life, 200+ life regen, 50% phys reduction and 80% resist depending on gear. Going up to the Templar area will bring in more life/regen for sure, but at the cost of other nodes. All depends on what your going for.
Once more into the fray, Into the last good fight I'll ever know, Live and die on this day, Live and die on this day IGN: Mastodon_The_Primeval
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