[April 12] Initial Development Manifesto Feedback

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darkcoug wrote:

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Ikariusrb wrote:

As far as desync goes, all ARPGs may do the prediction as you state, but for all it's other design flaws, Diablo 3 managed to resolve desync without any visible effects 99.999% of the time. Claiming working well in 99% of the cases means jack when there are 200 interactions/second. Generally playing solo, I cannot play for more than about 2 minutes without seeing BIG desync effects- such as firing at an enemy for several seconds before it turns out the enemy wasn't there at all. And that's playing solo. And it only gets worse playing with a party. And- my hat is off to anyone who actually plays a melee, because it's absolutely devastating for melee characters. I played several characters in Diablo 3, and I would once in a few days see serious spikes of rubber banding due to major server latency spikes, but normal day to day play never let us see a HINT of desync. A decade before, Diablo II did it as well. My friends who've played torchlight 2 report it suffers no such effects for online play. I don't know what you're doing differently, but your claim that this is darn near impossible to solve cannot be true- it has been visibly solved in other games which have been here before you.

I'm giving up on PoE unless you *really* fix desync. You claim you want a challenging game, and in higher level play, a single death will wipe out hours or even days of effort, yet desync singlehandedly ensures that you must play very low-risk and/or be substantially overgeared if you want to make levelling progress. Your skill as a player is < desync.


I hope you figure out what needs to be done to fix it, as otherwise I really like the game. With desync the way it is, the frustration factor outweighs the fun. I don't want to be angry when I die because the client lied to me.

One of the ways D3 handles desync is that if the enemies begin their swing with you in range, you will always get hit, even if you are well out of range by the time the swing ends. Now whether that tradeoff is better or worse than POE's sync flaws, I can't say. I do think one thing that also really helps D3 is that attacks (especially Melee) feel much more impactful. I do think getting rid of the melee accuracy stat really helps D3.

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Akenmaat wrote:

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darkcoug wrote:

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Ikariusrb wrote:

As far as desync goes, all ARPGs may do the prediction as you state, but for all it's other design flaws, Diablo 3 managed to resolve desync without any visible effects 99.999% of the time. Claiming working well in 99% of the cases means jack when there are 200 interactions/second. Generally playing solo, I cannot play for more than about 2 minutes without seeing BIG desync effects- such as firing at an enemy for several seconds before it turns out the enemy wasn't there at all. And that's playing solo. And it only gets worse playing with a party. And- my hat is off to anyone who actually plays a melee, because it's absolutely devastating for melee characters. I played several characters in Diablo 3, and I would once in a few days see serious spikes of rubber banding due to major server latency spikes, but normal day to day play never let us see a HINT of desync. A decade before, Diablo II did it as well. My friends who've played torchlight 2 report it suffers no such effects for online play. I don't know what you're doing differently, but your claim that this is darn near impossible to solve cannot be true- it has been visibly solved in other games which have been here before you.

I'm giving up on PoE unless you *really* fix desync. You claim you want a challenging game, and in higher level play, a single death will wipe out hours or even days of effort, yet desync singlehandedly ensures that you must play very low-risk and/or be substantially overgeared if you want to make levelling progress. Your skill as a player is < desync.


I hope you figure out what needs to be done to fix it, as otherwise I really like the game. With desync the way it is, the frustration factor outweighs the fun. I don't want to be angry when I die because the client lied to me.

One of the ways D3 handles desync is that if the enemies begin their swing with you in range, you will always get hit, even if you are well out of range by the time the swing ends. Now whether that tradeoff is better or worse than POE's sync flaws, I can't say. I do think one thing that also really helps D3 is that attacks (especially Melee) feel much more impactful. I do think getting rid of the melee accuracy stat really helps D3.

I'm not sure if you're trying to say here that in D3 there is no to-hit calculation or that the hit is effectively instantaneous, but I have this problem in PoE. If I run through a pack of zombies, with roughly +30% movement speed, and pass within melee range of them, I will get hit. Now there's no way with that kind of movement speed and a zombie's attack speed that I should get hit. But I do. And I'm not getting surrounded, because it wouldn't just be one hit if I was.

It's as if the attack is either being treated as happening instantaneously despite the attack speed/animation being much longer or the server is essentially parking my character in front of the zombie long enough to decide if the hit landed even though it had no chance to hit to begin with, from a timing standpoint. And the same thing happens with the rolling attacks from rocks in Act 2/3. They hit over long distances as if the very instant they decide to attack the hit is rolled regardless of the distance to my character or my direction and speed.

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Laloo1990 wrote:

IMO it would be nice if the life nods where upgrades, since if you play CI for example, you can easily get to 5k or more of shield, but normaly if you play with life and melee, you get around 3k, plus if you play CI you just go away for literaly 3 seconds and you have full shield back up. BTW life regen could use some love.