[April 12] Initial Development Manifesto Feedback

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Nostrademous wrote:

It depends on where you live. For USA players, Chris mentioned they have a server in Texas. If you are a East Coast player you will notice lots of desyncs (same is probably true for West Coast) while Texas players are okay.

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Gooberish wrote:

im no coder, but i will give away this awesome (free ofc) piece of code for you to use, these skills are gained after years of seing programmer pictures and similar stuff.


if Char_is_in_narrow_hallway_or_passage_or_maybe_a_door

{
unit_collision="off"
}
elseif

{
unit_collusuin="on"
}
return;



As you can clearly see my code is flawelass, you can also throw in some wall variables if you want, thats up to you since this piece of work is so flexible! Just Copy + Paste.

Your welcome :)


I know its not a optimal solution, but its a fix for some of the imho worst parts of desync issues, i know this causes issues one some maps etc, but there are ways around that :D

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gh0un wrote:

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SunPrice wrote:

well let's say i get a critical which deal 15000 damage total , he got 30000 armor ==> 14,3% damage reduction .
if i land a critical which deal 10000 damage ==> 20% damage reduction ...
So i have to deal extra 5000 damage ( which is 50% extra ) to reduce 7,7% enemy's damage reduction from armor ...

See my point now ?

What i want is something like '10-20% Armor piecing per critical hit' , it makes sense .

And critical hit could not be affected by those endurance charges also , lol

You are using values where armor piercing wouldn´t make much of a difference anyways.
Just look at your calculations. If the enemy armor only amounts to 20% damage reduction, piercing that armor would at most make a damage difference of 20%, which is negligible since it is not much better than going from 20% to 14%.

Lets look at some better values.
Lets say the enemy has 30k armor and you deal 1000 physical damage per single hit.
30k / ((1k x 12) + 30k)) = 71% damage reduction
The enemy would take 290 damage.

Now lets say you crit for 2000 damage.
30k / ((2k x 12) + 30k)) = 55% damage reduction
The enemy would take 900 damage.

As you can see, instead of critting for double the amount of damage, you crit for triple the amount.
At values where armor piercing would make a difference, crits already reduce armor innately, and thus crits already work like armor piercing attacks.
The values you brought up are pointless because if you hit for such a huge single hit, you dont need any armor piercing in the first place since you already negate most of the enemy´s armor.
Only against enemies that reduce your damage greatly (70% or more damage reduction) is armor piercing something that would benefit you greatly, and crits already are doing a great job in these scenarios.
If you encounter enemies that only reduce your damage by 50% or less, then you can easily kill them without critical hits just fine.
If you encounter enemies with more than 70%, or even 75%, then things can get very hard to kill.
Critical hits pierce armor greatly in situations like these with the current formula.

Here is another scenario where piercing would be of great help.
The enemy has 50k armor and you deal 1000 damage with a single hit.
The enemy would have 80% damage reduction, which makes him very hard to kill.
Instead of 1000 damage, you only deal 200 damage.

Now you crit for 2000 damage.
Now the damage reduction is down to 67%.
Instead of 2000 damage, you deal 660 damage.
660 damage is more than triple the amount of 200 damage.
Instead of critting for double or triple, you are critting for even more than triple the amount.

Now lets say you crit for 3000 damage instead of 2000 (since crit multiplier is easy to come by in this game).
The damage reduction is down to 58%.
Instead of 3000 damage, you deal 1260 damage.
Instead of triple the amount on crit, you deal more than 6 times the amount.

Critical strikes are already armor piercing HEAVILY in this game, except in scenarios where the armor of the enemy would make no difference anyways (very low damage reduction values).
If the enemy has no damage reduction to begin with, piercing does not help with that too much.
If the enemy has a lot of damage reduction, critial hits already pierce that armor to great effect.

Basically what this post proves, is that if you go physical damage, you should definitely favor critical damage and critical strike chance.
Thats also why my 110k physical dps duelist in closed beta was doing just fine.
He had 100% critchance 100% of the time, and thus pierced armor on every hit.
Diamond flasks were removed, and thus physical builds nerfed to oblivion.

I think what physical crits should apply (as a status ailment) is "stun weakness".
The duration of this ailment would always last a certain amount of time (lets say 5 seconds), but the strength of the ailment would be determined by the amount of damage you did with a single hit.
This stun weakness basically reduces the enemy stun treshold, and the more life you took with a single hit, the further the stun treshold is reduced.
If you hit for a large enough portion of the enemies health, the stun treshold should even be lowered to zero, meaning that you can stunlock the enemy for 5 seconds.
This would make physical much more viable.