Concerned about the cut-throat league.

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Sayeth wrote:

Now, I understand that the game is instanced and that there are people who would not do it, but even the occasional high leveled, well geared asshat would ruin new players.

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Sayeth wrote:

Now, I understand that the game is instanced and that there are people who would not do it, but even the occasional high leveled, well geared asshat would ruin new players.

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it's because people always complain...and to complain about a NICHE GAMETYPE in a NICHE GAME is just ridiculous.

They created a cut-throat league for people who want to play that way.

~Rant over.

Now, allow me to relieve you two of your concerns. Consider this.

1. The game costs nothing up front.

2. There are paid leagues that can be customized to your liking (semi-cut-throat in your case)

3. There is a passionate community already.

I predict good things for all types.

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Juicyfruits wrote:

Hi

First, let me start with some background story about me.

I started playing MMO with UO, when I was a teenager. I played pre-trammel. It was Free for all PVP, with full loot. UO at that time was honestly the most fun I had in an MMO. The fact that the game was "full loot" made the PVP relevant and exciting. It made having friends you could trust much more important. You had to chose your friends carefully. Then, trammel happened, UO got changed, meh.

After that I played a bunch of different games, trying to get my PVP fix. One I liked particularly was EVE online, but the sci-fi theme bored me rather quickly. (Sad, I know)

So, I have been (for pretty much 10 year now?) looking for a game to replicate this "feeling" of danger that UO had. The constant need to stay on your toes when you meet someone new. The adrenaline rush when you attack someone. The joy of killing a player and wondering what kind of loot you will get. Also, the anger and frustration of getting killed and loosing everything.

So, this is where I come from. You'll understand that I LOVE pvp and I LOVE full loot. However, I'm concerned about the cut-throat league. Player looting worked in UO because equipment was easily replaceable. Everything could be easily crafted or bought for a reasonable price. Loosing your stuff was bad, but not a major setback.

And anyway, equipment didn't even really matter too much. It helped, but all you had to get was a weapon and you could be back in the fight, wearing only your "rez robe" that provided less protection than a wet paper bag. And if you were good you still had a chance to kill that guy that was in full-plate.

That's why it worked. To make it simple, it had loot but :
1) Equipment was not too important
2) Equipment could be replaced easily

Now, lets think about PoE. I am concerned because PoE does not fit any of those 2 criteria. I am affraid that full loot, in this game, would be "too much". We will likely spend HOURS hunting for gear (this is an ARPG, and gear hunting is part of the genre), and leveling our gems to get better skills. Losing everything in a few seconds to some unfair gank (which is bound to happen) will make even the more "hardcore" player rage-quit. Thats for sure.

My guess is that people playing in that league will purposely avoid the "gear hunt" and fight with sucky equipment and only low level gems (thus missing a good chunk of the game) or simply get bored and not play this league.

This would be sad. This is why I suggest that dieing in the cut throat league should not be such a major set back. A system I like is the insurance system, as seen in "later UO" and EVE online.

The UO insurance system works by allowing you to pay a fee to "insure" an item. You can insure each item independently. When you are killed, your killer gets the amount you paid for insurance, transferred in his stash.

In EVE the system works a little differently. You have to pay a fee for insurance, for X days. When you die, you loose everything, and the insurance give you some money so you can buy other equipment.

I feel either one could work in PoE. It would, in my opinion, encourage people to try the cut throat league. Like I said before, I think that for this league to be successful, you have to achieve balance between the death penalty being "harsh" and just being "too much".

Ideas?

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BattleSmurf wrote:

Your wrong its exactly what all of us ex diablo 2 hardcore players have been dreaming of since the late 90s. It's not too much at all.

-Edit some of you guys are clearly missing the point when u bring up stuff about not wanting to get greifed. The whole point about the cutthroat league is that anything goes. Please don't whine and try to ruin things for the rest of us if you think its too scary don't play it.