Harvest is great "crafting revised" and should be kept in the game

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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:

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I_NO wrote:

Yeah no it's going to be tuned sorry.

Would you elaborate what is your problem with people having easier way of crafting gear?

You feel less special? What is it?

The fuck is this it's an item editor it's not crafting LOL literally printing money as I type create remake create remake cha-ching items aren't special anymore.

Anyone can make them there's no RNG involved if you know how to completely kill it off which most harvest people do the people thinking there's RNG involved is delusional LOL maybe yourself as well w/e the case is.

Doesn't matter it's going to be tuned and I'll be happy.

invalids everything my as well just say path of harvest nothing is worth doing in terms of power and money/ Progress people playing the victims hahahah that's funny.

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I_NO wrote:

The fuck is this it's an item editor it's not crafting LOL literally printing money as I type create remake create remake cha-ching items aren't special anymore.

Anyone can make them there's no RNG involved if you know how to completely kill it off which most harvest people do the people thinking there's RNG involved is delusional LOL maybe yourself as well w/e the case is.

Doesn't matter it's going to be tuned and I'll be happy.

invalids everything my as well just say path of harvest nothing is worth doing in terms of power and money/ Progress people playing the victims hahahah that's funny.

So i was right, you feel less special. Ok, just wanted to know the reason.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUFF Harvest,please GGG

10 stored craft and the nerf appearance of annul orb or target slam killed harvest

I got way many more enchant craft than during the league

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TorsteinTheFallen wrote:

Spoiler

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I_NO wrote:

The fuck is this it's an item editor it's not crafting LOL literally printing money as I type create remake create remake cha-ching items aren't special anymore.

Anyone can make them there's no RNG involved if you know how to completely kill it off which most harvest people do the people thinking there's RNG involved is delusional LOL maybe yourself as well w/e the case is.

Doesn't matter it's going to be tuned and I'll be happy.

invalids everything my as well just say path of harvest nothing is worth doing in terms of power and money/ Progress people playing the victims hahahah that's funny.

So i was right, you feel less special. Ok, just wanted to know the reason.

She is also correct.

The "trivialization" of the "item editor" though comes from having a method to bypass the Harvest limits.

Make the Harvest mods account for item transfer and apply a 24H delay for next Harvest craft - heck, even scale it to be larger for the increasing Harvest mods applied - and you instantly LOCK perfect items to a later introduction on the market.

Sure, you can rush SOLO progression, but that should be RNG dependent, and even if you work on multiple items, you still get a large enough hit in efficiency.

Address PERFECT values occurrence and we might get to see the perfect Harvest mirror worthy items later than 1-2 months on the market.

The good thing is that this will keep current progression for the casuals and the normal players.

To create even more incentive, they can also add better item mods to T0 tier DROP ONLY, so you have to get the desired mod, on the desired base first by actually LOOTING IT.

Make those have increasing chance to disappear when Maven/Awakened orbed and let the 1% of the 1% waste both their time and currency to hit the perfect elevated awakened influenced mirror items, and simply adjust to rates to account for the most efficient methods - hundreds player guilds working on the desired outcomes (it simply needs to be slowed to be reached around 2 months in the league mark, and that will also enhance player retention, as long as the incentives are there, and the league mechanics are decent)...

You can literally bypass the RNG as well but apparently most of you don't know how to do that which pisses me off even further even in SSF just watch a fucking streamer mainly Alkaiser probably.

biggest problem with Harvest is that it 'is' tradeable

in a schizophrenic kind of way:

- crafts are VERY powerful
- crafts are not tradeable
- but GGG knows they are going to be traded

thus the end result is just garbage mix of 'power' and 'random' and 'tedium'.

im on my 5th day of looking out for remove/add lightning. ive done 100s of maps, found lots of other remove/adds, even the 'add speed' aug. no remove/add lightning

i refuse to participate in 'off-window-trade', i dont believe in vouches, kindness or in general 'trust people on the internet', im too old for that. not with GGG ACTIVELY protecting scammers. i could risk it if they ignored it, but they do extra mile to PROTECT them.


so end result is that the mechanic is tailored around trading (because GGG cannot seem to design it otherwise) yet the trading is 'do it at your own risk' ordeal. not to mention that this discord channel used for trades is.. ill self-censor myself here


entire 'harvest experience' for single players who are not stupid enough to trust randoms on the internet sums up to 'it stinks'

then there is the power aspect (few targeted crafts should go) and the design (why the 'energy' bar is there still? it is impossible to run out..). in all - ive made a 900pdps 2h, a dozen or so GREAT ass-mark rings and i already dislike the mechanic because it 'pretends to be there' and enforces the stupid 'be lucky' design

6th day of search for remove/add lightning begins

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I_NO wrote:

The fuck is this it's an item editor it's not crafting LOL literally printing money as I type create remake create remake cha-ching items aren't special anymore.

Again, what's the problem with that? Why do items have to be special to be fun? I personally couldn't care less what items other people have as long as it doesn't affect me (which it unfortunately does in a lot of cases, thanks to trade - if I was better at this game / had more time to dump into it, I'd play SSF and not care at all).

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I_NO wrote:

Anyone can make them there's no RNG involved

Cool. How do I make a mirror-tier axe (T1 flat phys, T1 % phys, ...) with no RNG? Would be interested.

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I_NO wrote:

invalids everything my as well just say path of harvest nothing is worth doing

If you feel it isn't worth doing, that is your problem, I guess. I find lots of things worth doing in this game - more so with Harvest.

As lots of people say, the problem isn't primarily Harvest, it's primarily trade.

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I_NO wrote:

Spoiler

You can literally bypass the RNG as well but apparently most of you don't know how to do that which pisses me off even further even in SSF just watch a fucking streamer mainly Alkaiser probably.

You CAN and SHOULD BYPASS some RNG IF YOU CRAFT ITEMS FOR YOUR USE ONLY (especially if you sink time like there is no tomorrow OR you are actively targeting it with "precission")...

Trading and making the mirror worthy items on fast forward should NOT BE AN EASY OPTION.

It might be OK to trade an item and get a Harvest craft applied, but trading it to 100 players to "finish" it to perfection should require 100 REALTIME DAYS.

No "but" and no questions asked.

Harvest deterministic crafting is THAT POWERFUL (and we ALL know it), so it should get a few checks.

The crafting cooldown would be such a check.

Also, if they apply them to an ORB conversion, they should KEEP THE DELAY regarding their application, AS THEY WILL STILL BE THAT POWERFUL IN THEIR CURRENT STATE - IF they would be balance by a remove random mod, or downgrade a tier of current item mods on apply, they might be preserved as they are, but without some limitations, it is "TOO EASY TO PRINT PERFECT ITEMS" to paraphrase @I_NO...

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I_NO wrote:

You can literally bypass the RNG as well but apparently most of you don't know how to do that which pisses me off even further even in SSF just watch a fucking streamer mainly Alkaiser probably.

Maybe rich elite players wouldn't be upset about poor players wanting a way to bypass currency gates if they taught them how to be rich like them. You, for example, could be doing this board a lot more good if you provided tips on how to make currency instead of typing out the same "mUh ItUm EdItUr" response whenever someone defends Harvest.

And you did. You only mentioned a name, but it's something. Let's expand on that. What does Alkaiser offer to help players learn how to make currency?