[3.13 UPDATED] gr0bbs | Poison Blade Vortex | Budget Viable | Endgame 50Mil+ DPS | Video Guide

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arikshkol wrote:
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grimjack68 wrote:
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Valant wrote:
I am still using Tabula at 88 and feel a need of a budget upgrade

Should I just get a 5L Kintsugi or 6L rare life res ?

Can someone please check my build on what I can improve ?

Dont have much currency
Looks like you moved over to a 6L Dendrobate already. Nothing wrong with that at all. Your gear looks pretty decent, and so does your tree.



Hey grim I looked into your profile and I don't really understand the setup
can you explain a bit?
i understand you decided to take mind over matter+ temporal chains instead of despair ( is the dps better?)
I'm running dual curse. So instead of running an Impresence, to reduce the mana reservation of Despair to zero, I'm running Solstice to do that to temp chains. I still have Despair on hit on my ring, so everything near me or hit by me is cursed with both temp chains and despair. I'm fond of temp chains as it is both another defensive layer and a DPS boost for this build.

The Apep's slumber + MoM combination means a pool of damage mitigation equal to 30% that's nearly always full, because ES recharges so fast with Apep's.

With no mana reserved for curses, one ring with reduced mana reservation for HoA, and a single reduced mana reservation node on the tree, I can run skitterbots, flesh and stone, malevolence, and herald of agony. I'm left with 10 unreserved mana.

Damage at the moment is still pretty decent, POB puts me at 12.2 mill with Bino's for clear and 15.3 single target with one CiP in my off hand weapon set.

Still very much a work in progress. DPS is probably sufficient at this point. Still working on the tank portion though. I've run a bunch of 82/83 heists without any problems, but I ran the unique one Break the Unbreakable recently and ripped once.
Current league IGN: Grimjack_Ritual_HOAG
Feel free to message me in game if I'm on.
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It's a pretty basic version of it, because usually, you also use a rare chest instead of a unique, to craft "Gain 10% of life as extra ES" on it.
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I've found that with more ES, when I die, it's due to running out of life, even with a ratio well below what I'd normally run between life:ES. With Apep's + Eldritch Battery + MoM, the Mana portion of the hit is taken from ES and it recharges so much faster than the usual MoM builds.

Then throw the feast of flesh from Diadem in the mix, and all I need to worry about is one shots, most of which are evaded, dodged, etc.
Current league IGN: Grimjack_Ritual_HOAG
Feel free to message me in game if I'm on.
First time playing a poison build....so im twinking out with this character, but the leveling process seems slow. is there something im missing?
Last edited by Soulstrike628 on Oct 7, 2020, 2:24:03 PM
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skiminok1989 wrote:
Hey guys, so I need your advise where to move. Here is my current gear:

And here is my PoB: https://pastebin.com/i0tz0Ukr
I'm feeling pretty solid but what should I upgrade next? May be something wrong with my tree?

Also I have spare armor, but can't decide which one is better:
Damn, you're doing really good.

I'd be looking for a double corrupted chest if I were in your shoes. +1 socketed gems / +2 socketed AoE gems would be awesome.

I'd be looking into dropping an aura and the impresence in favour of a +2 gems amulet as well. I haven't run the POB numbers, but I suspect the extra gem levels would still out-DPS the extra aura.

Swap the belt to a Stygian, then socket a jewel with flat life/ES and phasing? Boots with tailwind or onslaught? You could get a DPS upgrade with a 1L/2M/1S cluster jewel setup.

And an awakened unleash, of course.
Current league IGN: Grimjack_Ritual_HOAG
Feel free to message me in game if I'm on.
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Soulstrike628 wrote:
First time playing a poison build....so im twinking out with this character, but the leveling process seems slow. is there something im missing?
Yes, absolutely. Stick to Elemental blade vortex, leveling with poison is painful.

Get a Herald of Ice and Herald of Thunder.

Link blade vortex with typical elemental supports - lightning pen, cold pen, controlled destruction, arcane surge, added cold / lightning damage, etc. Replace one of those with Unleash the instant you hit level 38.

Switch to an elemental damage curse.

I wouldn't switch to poison damage until you can respec to all the poison nodes at once.
Current league IGN: Grimjack_Ritual_HOAG
Feel free to message me in game if I'm on.
Last edited by grimjack68 on Oct 7, 2020, 2:39:21 PM
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grimjack68 wrote:
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Soulstrike628 wrote:
First time playing a poison build....so im twinking out with this character, but the leveling process seems slow. is there something im missing?
Yes, absolutely. Stick to Elemental blade vortex, leveling with poison is painful.

Get a Herald of Ice and Herald of Thunder.

Link blade vortex with typical elemental supports - lightning pen, cold pen, controlled destruction, arcane surge, added cold / lightning damage, etc. Replace one of those with Unleash the instant you hit level 38.

Switch to an elemental damage curse.

I wouldn't switch to poison damage until you can respec to all the poison nodes at once.


awesome. thanks for the pointers!

it doesn seem a little slow though having to stop, spam vortex to build stacks each time though. hopefully it picks up
Last edited by Soulstrike628 on Oct 7, 2020, 3:04:17 PM
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grimjack68 wrote:
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skiminok1989 wrote:
Hey guys, so I need your advise where to move. Here is my current gear:

And here is my PoB: https://pastebin.com/i0tz0Ukr
I'm feeling pretty solid but what should I upgrade next? May be something wrong with my tree?

Also I have spare armor, but can't decide which one is better:
Damn, you're doing really good.

I'd be looking for a double corrupted chest if I were in your shoes. +1 socketed gems / +2 socketed AoE gems would be awesome.

I'd be looking into dropping an aura and the impresence in favour of a +2 gems amulet as well. I haven't run the POB numbers, but I suspect the extra gem levels would still out-DPS the extra aura.

Swap the belt to a Stygian, then socket a jewel with flat life/ES and phasing? Boots with tailwind or onslaught? You could get a DPS upgrade with a 1L/2M/1S cluster jewel setup.

And an awakened unleash, of course.


Thanks for advises. Does awakened unleash gives big dps boost?
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Soulstrike628 wrote:
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grimjack68 wrote:
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Soulstrike628 wrote:
First time playing a poison build....so im twinking out with this character, but the leveling process seems slow. is there something im missing?
Yes, absolutely. Stick to Elemental blade vortex, leveling with poison is painful.

Get a Herald of Ice and Herald of Thunder.

Link blade vortex with typical elemental supports - lightning pen, cold pen, controlled destruction, arcane surge, added cold / lightning damage, etc. Replace one of those with Unleash the instant you hit level 38.

Switch to an elemental damage curse.

I wouldn't switch to poison damage until you can respec to all the poison nodes at once.


awesome. thanks for the pointers!

it doesn seem a little slow though having to stop, spam vortex to build stacks each time though. hopefully it picks up


if i run the heralds, im left with no mana to keep vortex up, and im slow enough as it is lol what else do i need to do
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grimjack68 wrote:

I've found that with more ES, when I die, it's due to running out of life, even with a ratio well below what I'd normally run between life:ES. With Apep's + Eldritch Battery + MoM, the Mana portion of the hit is taken from ES and it recharges so much faster than the usual MoM builds.

Then throw the feast of flesh from Diadem in the mix, and all I need to worry about is one shots, most of which are evaded, dodged, etc.


You're not wrong, but see it this way: With Apep's slumbers regen, you can take up to 833 Damage per second (250 regen / 30 MoM * 100 for effective health) without ES being depleted. But if you get more than that over a few seconds, you miss out on quite some effective Health compared to the skill points you invested to get all the way over there to MoM.

Calculating a non-chaos one-shot mechanic with my own stats (non-chaos since chaos-dmg ignores ES without CI):
- with "10% health as ES"-craft: 5563 HP + 1267 ES = 6830 eHP
- with 8% increased max life-craft: 5708 HP + 708 ES = 6416 eHP

I would even need to get up to 1669 ES to max out the usefulness of MoM.

As said, you're not completely wrong, it's just me - i like to make things as effective as possible.
I'm not seeing Withering Step in a lot of people's builds here--any reason why? The video guide mentioned it resets the Elusive buff, and it also grants phasing (if not using a Quartz flask). Is it still strong?

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