[3.13] CHAOSMANCER (100% CHAOS Spiders and Zombies) Build. <2 min UBER ELDER. INSANE Clear Speed!

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Hurrai KKnD wrote:

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MontaYuras wrote:

@Hurrai KKnD

Na not realy. Thats a bad solution for endgame for so many reasons, even iam to lazy to write it all down. But as a Temporary thing it could do the job for a while.

Can you explain me why ? My minions never dies, I only lost 50 strenght and 100 hp on the ring to get the animate guardian which never dies and buff my minions + culling strike on him

Alrighty then ;P, well first of all you lose the +2 to minion skills the Helmet provides you. Which is essential in these kind of situations where the guardian could actualy realy die. Since you also want the Minion life for you spectres thats another slot you have to take anyway.

But even if he would survive, winning 2 Sockets you cant real take benefit of, Thats not worth losing a whole ring slot( Which should be more like 250 hp 50str 20 minion movementspeed +some resis, an potential socket) - Its simply not effectiv.

An General thing i just saw is that all of you seems not to use Multistrike for your spiders. Correct me if iam wrong in case of this particular build which iam not playing excatly as it is recommended here, but in any SPider Build i even played Multistrike was the Best damage gem for SPiders. Awakened Multistrike is even more insane and adds another 10% dps.



Maybe you wanna have a look on my profile. Theres a Charakter called Bersiisdoch... its an 3.9 version but the gem setup should still fit.

Heres also the pob of it. https://pastebin.com/ebVAKktz

at first, I tried whith a hungry loop empower 3 + minion life + elemental army + fortify, he didn't die in any situation, but it's interestinng as you say to put the animated guardian in the helmet and put the carrion golem someplace else ( my ring has a socket ) but i'm scaredd that he would die againt the bosses but i might try it

since I love the idea of playing with spiders and I love watching streams of you I saved up some exalted till I was pretty sure I'm able to purchase some gear for running with this build.
Now I reached the point to buy all the gear and change my build. I know I didn't maxed out all the gems yet (some are only around 18) but I thought I should be able to run T16 with this gear. But ... I keep dying on every single map like 3 or 4 times and my minions don't deal such a high amount of damage that monsters get killed isntand and bosses take some time. The only mana reserving skill I can't have active is purity of elements since I don't have the haste enchant on the helmet but I maxed all my ressitances anyway. Do I miss anything on that build?

https://pastebin.com/eyZWuGfi

I believe that Purity of Elements is used only in conjunction with watcher's eye, that has "% of physical taken as fire while you have PoE". It is easy to max your resists, and minions has like 125% resists without it. So you are getting nothing from it and you can change it to Discipline, for example, or anything useful.

I have no Enlighten 4, so I run Haste + Hatred + Generosity instead of Haste + PoE + Skitterbots + Enlighten, having 5% unreserved mana with -10% reservation chest and no enchants.

To compensate not having Haste on myself I use Phase Run and I am getting Dex from Brawn and gear. Phase Run also lowers distance at which mobs detects you - I believe that minions are seen and attacked first, this is replacement for Fortify. I manually "Convocation" them from time to time.
Also to get fortify you need to hit someone in melee with a shield charge. To live longer you need to get their attention and be in a hit/shot range. We have a contradiction here, so I am against such Fortify setup.

And you can get "minions has % to taunt on hit" abyss jewel which also adds to "not being in melee" + "not hitting anyone" + "100% increased stealth" phase run combo o)

Also you can reroute lowest part of a tree to exchange ~100 HP and some armor for one more socket for jewel with "Minions has 5-6% chance to Blind on hit". Can check ThereAreNoSpiders char in my profile. I am not in a red maps yet, but I've played Arakaali's fang Spider Queen build without zombies and with Phase Run setup, U.Elder was top boss back than and it was smooth and easy.

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RocketJaxX wrote:

since I love the idea of playing with spiders and I love watching streams of you I saved up some exalted till I was pretty sure I'm able to purchase some gear for running with this build.
Now I reached the point to buy all the gear and change my build. I know I didn't maxed out all the gems yet (some are only around 18) but I thought I should be able to run T16 with this gear. But ... I keep dying on every single map like 3 or 4 times and my minions don't deal such a high amount of damage that monsters get killed isntand and bosses take some time. The only mana reserving skill I can't have active is purity of elements since I don't have the haste enchant on the helmet but I maxed all my ressitances anyway. Do I miss anything on that build?

https://pastebin.com/eyZWuGfi

You have extremely poor life rolls everywhere. Missing a lot of it

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

You have extremely poor life rolls everywhere. Missing a lot of it

hi, i just saw that i have +1000 strength without lethal pride, did you think about replacing it with elegant hubris to have 3 or 4 slumlord nodes (80% minion damage), on the other hand we would lose something like 900 hp, what do you think about it?

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MontaYuras wrote:

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Angry_Roleplayer wrote:

You have extremely poor life rolls everywhere. Missing a lot of it

hi, i just saw that i have +1000 strength without lethal pride, did you think about replacing it with elegant hubris to have 3 or 4 slumlord nodes (80% minion damage), on the other hand we would lose something like 900 hp, what do you think about it?

I would not love losing 900 hp

Hey guys I have a question. What do you guys do in longer boss fights like Sirus where you will eventually run out of pots due to the longevity of the fight therefore will not have a way to summon spiders once the worms potion has been used

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at first, I tried whith a hungry loop empower 3 + minion life + elemental army + fortify, he didn't die in any situation, but it's interestinng as you say to put the animated guardian in the helmet and put the carrion golem someplace else ( my ring has a socket ) but i'm scaredd that he would die againt the bosses but i might try it

There are some Situation, where the Golem could die. This are excatly those situations that are Dangerous for Zombies or Guardian as well and are very rare.

The odds of the Guardian dying are not that high. But in the end, it makes a huge diffrence if he dies once a league or 5 times a league. Trust me, the +2 from helmet, the lvl 21 ag gem +20%qualy on minionLifegem , it adds up and does a real diffrence in survivability.

Again, Hungry Loop is realy not worth it Except you need the sockets so badly ,that you willing to sacrificd a whole item slot. Which is not the case in this build. You can get things fine and still have the ring you want.

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fertality wrote:

Hey guys I have a question. What do you guys do in longer boss fights like Sirus where you will eventually run out of pots due to the longevity of the fight therefore will not have a way to summon spiders once the worms potion has been used

Between Phases you get back Potion charges. But aswell you could get rid of your speed potions and take multiple Worm flasks if you need it. Iam never running with more then 1. But iam very relyable in summoning. I almost never fail it.

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fertality wrote:

Hey guys I have a question. What do you guys do in longer boss fights like Sirus where you will eventually run out of pots due to the longevity of the fight therefore will not have a way to summon spiders once the worms potion has been used

Between Phases you get back Potion charges. But aswell you could get rid of your speed potions and take multiple Worm flasks if you need it. Iam never running with more then 1. But iam very relyable in summoning. I almost never fail it.